It basically solidifies what most of us already knew lol.
Iowa Wrestling is Dead
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Year-by-Year – Penn State Wrestling Club
pennstatewrestlingclub.org
Anything like this exist for Iowa? I can see every match result ever, every postseason placement ever, every wrestler’s record and most of their by-bout results, all coaching records, etc.
If something like this exists for Iowa, I’d love to know. If not, someone should create it.
And then there’s the kick ass up to the minute scoring table for nationals that everyone looks at.Year-by-Year – Penn State Wrestling Club
Anything like this exist for Iowa? I can see every match result ever, every postseason placement ever, every wrestler’s record and most of their by-bout results, all coaching records, etc.
If something like this exists for Iowa, I’d love to know. If not, someone should create it.
It is awesome but occasionally can’t handle the web traffic during nationals. 😃😃
yes there is and it's been there since before 2010Year-by-Year – Penn State Wrestling Club
Anything like this exist for Iowa? I can see every match result ever, every postseason placement ever, every wrestler’s record and most of their by-bout results, all coaching records, etc.
If something like this exists for Iowa, I’d love to know. If not, someone should create it.
Lol. Awesome. Can you post a link? I’m being serious; I’d love to be able to review stats on it.
“Occasionally” is doing a lot of work in that sentence 😏😂
Yeah, they need to pony up for more bandwidth
never seen a team that failed to finish shots like we do. PS was even scoring on shots where we seemed to be in deep.
yeah and if we could actually finish take downs we would have scored more points.I think you guys are being too hard on the team.
According to the Des Moines Register, Ayala and Rathjen dominated, with six matches to go Iowa was in striking distance with winnable matches left, and had one or two of the Iowa veterans wrestled better and had Gabe been in the lineup, the dual could have turned out differently.
If Iowa wrestling's veterans can bounce back, the Hawkeyes are capable of reaching goals
If Iowa wrestling's veterans can bounce back, they are still capable of successwww.desmoinesregister.com
I agree but you go hard after everybody. PSU almost made that mistake with Cael, some thinking it was too long a shot. Make them say NO after your best shot.
yeah I bet we rank well against Indiana, Mich St., and Purdue. guess I didn’t realize that was our objective
Sounds like "not changing" is the mens coach's Iowa Way.
I respect your opinion for sure. But I really do believe you’d see massive gains in all the areas you listed by incorporating lots of play wrestling effectively and consistently and it doesn’t much matter what age you start to do that. That’s not to discount doing your due diligence in recruiting.
I think you’re watching too much sci fi, but they’re prolly getting there. One day…
In no way am I not giving credit to PSU and Sanderson and staff. What they have done is amazing. We agree on that.
But it sounds to me like you’re making excuses for Brands. “You can try to blame Brands but no coach is competing with PSU.” Regardless of how great PSU is, Iowa’s head coach should absolutely be blamed for not figuring it out.
We don’t know if another coach can compete with PSU if given the reigns as Iowa’s head coach. We know Brands hasn’t been able to. Therefore, the solution is not to stick with Brands. What’s your solution? Wait until Sanderson retires?
Iowa wrestling is not dead, they’re just not the top dogs at the moment. But being 2?5? Etc is doing rather well. Oklahoma State and Iowa have spent a lot of time at number one and are still doing rather well.
Straight forward answer? I really don’t think ANYONE on here has stated a realistic solution and I am truly not sure what that currently is…Obviously recruit much better is a big deal, but if you go back and look at it since Kemerer, no team is really consistently recruiting better, other than PSU.
I am open to trying to switch up the staff by adding someone like Cox and/or Nolf, but I don’t really see any of the other names mentioned showing much interest in being assistants right now and I am 100% not willing to just broom Brands and bring one of them in to take over just because they are the new big names in the sport…
Yeah, I understand it’s risky. But we’ve already tried changing assistants several times, with no change in results. I think you gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
Why should we be comparing the Hawk program to every program other than PS? Should we be ok being like these other programs? Do they have the Iowa fanbase, the Iowa tradition, the Iowa facilities? And yes, you did just compare our recruiting to everyone else. Might just be me but I’m not ok with recruiting like everyone else. I expect more.
The product on the mat has become less and less entertaining for Iowa as well minus a few exceptions.
lol, you seem to have some issues with reading comprehension. I SPECIFICALLY compare Iowa recruiting to “everyone else” because I clearly said Iowa IS recruiting BETTER than everyone else, but PSU.
Look, PSU is absolutely the measuring stick, but they are landing recruits at an unprecedented level. Here is another analogy(diving)and the real reason I am butting my head back at those of you going after Brands:
Iowa is consistently scoring around a 9 performing the most difficult rating dives. tOSU has had a diver or 2 around 9, but quite a few at much less. Michigan has done it once, but most dives are even worse than tOSU. OkState is the only other to perform a 9 and it has been quite a while since with a considerable downward trend. After that Cornell is the only other within range, but they still haven’t had a single 9 score with a bunch of 8.5-8.9s.
Now the real part of the analogy: PSU has only had 2 dives so far under 9 and 1 of them was about 8.9. Everything else has basically been 9.5 and above.
I emphasize that analogy because the current landscape makes it nearly impossible for two teams to consistently score 9.5+ on that dive.
Simply put, I do think Iowa can improve, but PsU needs to fall back some for ANY program with ANY other coach to consistently keep pace…
Yeah, but those programs are coming in with 5s and getting to 8s while Iowa comes in with 8.5s and getting 9s. If we change to a coach consistently taking 5s and making 8s, where might that coach take 8.5s?
I’m using loose numbers and exaggerating a bit, but I think you can understand the point.
What was his best finish at UNC? He had considerable resources there and didn’t ever seem to do much. His name as a successor to Tom is borderline comical with his track record.
I hate diving. Adds a half hour to a swim meet. And then the swimmers have to warm up again.
The problem is there is only one Sanderson-Cunningham combination and they happen to be at inarguably the best location, with by far the most funding and have now created an RTC that is also at unprecedented levels.
Unless Iowa high school wrestling drastically improves, As great as Iowa has been and it admittedly has the strongest fanbase in wrestling, what PSU has right now is NOT possible at Iowa. Even under Gable, they weren’t doing the things with the funding that PSU has and didn’t have to battle over top recruits, because the “right fit” was possible to find before social media.
The only other program I could see having all the necessary things to compete with PSU is tOSU, but it seems to me that Ohio High School wrestling has dipped a bit. With DT being an Ohio guy, I could see him maybe challenging PSU if he went all in and could land ever top Ohio guy while still landing top national guys.
I don’t care much to watch it either. But, it’s a great analogy, because it not only gives scores, but it puts a ceiling on scoring based on the difficulty of the dive.
My biggest area of contention with many on here is they are so focused on Iowa being behind PSU that I think many do not realize just how difficult it is to do what PSU is currently doing.
Simply put I don’t think there is a diver out there that can do what PSU is consistently doing. A couple could maybe do the dive 1 or 2 time out of 10 like Brands has, but PSU is basically doing it 8 out of 10 times!
Sounds a bit defeatist. I think we gotta try. We’ve tried with Brands. Let’s try with someone else.
There is a distinct difference between defeatism and realism. I simply think Brands is still the best option for now and am not a fan of the “grass is greener on the other side” mentality. Because, most of the time it isn’t and the current grass is still greener than everyone else but 1…
they need to start by getting 1 or 2 guys as individual champs and build from there. hell just one besides Spencer Lee at this point.
In addition to not finishing, Iowa fails to change levels for shooting.
Unless it's Real Woods who hops down to his knee and then hops up.
I like fiction non science. we call it fi-non-sci or fanci for short
Carl doesn’t seem to be reel picky. If a kid is top ten pfp, he’ll prolly give them a shot.
that is entirely not true. one of the better thing cael does is know who not to recruit just because they have a single digit next to their name.
One case that comes to mind is Chance. Cael got a bad vibe during a recruiting visit and stopped the recruiting process. Stopping a process after investing time or money into it is actually the hardest thing to do in any business, but Cael is good at managing his time and resources for maximum result.
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But is Brands even trying anymore? It’s been obvious that we lack good coaching at the upper weights. We’ve had some great recruits, but the last champ was who? Jay Borschel 15 years ago?
People have been bringing this up for years and scolded for it because M* is such a good recruiter, which is debatable. We are getting our asses kicked in recruiting every year, with the exception of a 1-2 years where I think we benefited much more from Jody Strittmatter being the coach than from Ryan M*’s recruiting prowess. We wouldn’t even be top 5 if it wasn’t for the transfer portal.
Then of course, some pro-Brands Iowa fans will shit on this kind of criticism and say that the Brands have tried to bring in different guys, but no one is willing. How can that be? To me that is the biggest indictment of Brands lack of leadership. Iowa is a premier program with the strongest fan following in the sport . A few years here would look good on any coaches resume. Yet, no one wants to be in the Iowa room? Is it Brand’s lack of professionalism that has led to such poor networking or is he less interested in diversity of thought, and more interested in hiring his own cult followers who will do it his way?
