Seems like something to get excited about. Does Perry have any freestyle/international experience?
Mark Perry
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It isn't about being a "safe space." It's about your crusade to sniff out absolutely any perceived slight of PSU, unpack the comment, slaughter it, spread out the entrails, and piss all over them. PSU is great on their own. Why you think it is your job to defend the program at every opportunity on an Iowa message board, I do not know.
I suspect the depraved culture at PSU has infected their wrestling fan base as well to some extent. Tragic.
Not much IIRC. He jumped into coaching pretty quick...but like was stated before, it's a slot to put him in. Will also probably hold the title Vol Asst Coach. IMO, he's there to coach in the room, recruit, and contribute to HWC.
Using the "ignore" feature has nothing to do with disagreeing with others. I read posts from people with whom I disagree all the time, but they express their point of view in a respectful manner.
Using the "ignore" feature has everything to do with filtering out the noise. It's easy to tell who's interested in a civil discussion and who's here just to thump his/her chest. Life's too short to get all mired in petty arguments with haters.
Like you, TNT, I'm not someone who would ever subscribe to the whole "safe space" notion or any such nonsense. But that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about a simple way to keep the board free of negative junk, at least to my view, and ever since I've used the "ignore" feature, the board has been infinitely more pleasant to read, and all of my interactions have been positive. Again, not necessarily because I agree with everything I read, but because I know the info and opinions are coming from people who show respect to others.
Just another piece of a much bigger puzzle. I like it!
I like Spooner's take on all of it.
It's little bro syndrome. PSU is great...that cannot be argued. Their greatness is often acknowledged on this board. But even at the smallest slight, a JTS type feels they have to reply and then run back to their board and tell them all about it. If anybody is hypersensitive, it is folks like JTS...so much so that he has been kicked off the board 2 or 3 times for his constant bickering over here.
Opposing fans are going to say PSU cheats...so what. They are going to say that Cael is overrated...so what. Same with Iowa when we were winning titles. But then some PSU fans have never been shy about the "Brands burns guys out" or "Iowa has dirty wrestlers with low character" narratives among others.
It's little bro syndrome. PSU is great...that cannot be argued. Their greatness is often acknowledged on this board. But even at the smallest slight, a JTS type feels they have to reply and then run back to their board and tell them all about it. If anybody is hypersensitive, it is folks like JTS...so much so that he has been kicked off the board 2 or 3 times for his constant bickering over here.
Opposing fans are going to say PSU cheats...so what. They are going to say that Cael is overrated...so what. Same with Iowa when we were winning titles. But then some PSU fans have never been shy about the "Brands burns guys out" or "Iowa has dirty wrestlers with low character" narratives among others.
Haha...no. But can an HWC guy corner a guy in the regular season or do they have a limit on "Volunteer" or assistant coaches?
How about deputy assistant volunteer?
p.s. I had a duty title a long time ago that started Deputy Assistant...
18 fraternity members. 12 was the number of hours they waited before calling for medical help. Terrible story.
However a team can have multiple "administrative assistants". See Minny....both Ness boys and Tony Nelson.
Perry has no Freestyle/Greco background of note beyond Fargo in high school. Not sure how this would make sense. It only makes sense if Terry is taking that position and Perry is becoming one of the assistants.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/55935-mark-perry-considering-move-to-coach-at-iowa
Here it is from Flo, too. Lotta smoke. So what do I know?
Here it is from Flo, too. Lotta smoke. So what do I know?
You're probably right about Perry not knowing a lot about FRECO. He only comes from the First Family of wrestling.
I'm sure with the hire of Perry the Brands' wouldn't associate themselves with the HWC anymore.
The point is it's a waste of Perry's skills, IMO, to put him in that spot. His BEST skill is recruiting, and he can't do that as HWC coach. That's my understanding of the rules. Further, it makes no sense to have a non-Freestyler in charge of the Freestyle program. Even if the Brands are still involved, which of course they would be, their rightful primary focus will be on the Folkstyle team, leaving the guy in charge of the Freestylers a guy who was never a high level Freestyler.
If Perry ends up on the HWC coaching staff exclusively (i.e. no official role on the U of I team), is he allowed to participate in U of I official recruiting efforts? Anyone know?
Thanks Multi...kinda figured that would be the case. Clearly, his presence on the HWC staff would still have some meaningful carryover benefits to U of I recruiting, IMO.
If the rumors are true, hell of a long term career move for Perry too. Have to think that if things work out for him in whatever role he would come over to initially, that he'd be putting himself in a great position to take the head coaching spot when TnT decide to hang it up.
First of all, Mark Perry can certainly coach freestyle and do so extremely well. However, I believe we are kind of wasting Terry Brands in his current role. I think he is the foremost freestyle expert in the country and him running HWC full time would be just what we need.
Second, Mark Perry is not just a great recruiter. I would consider him a better coach in the room than a recruiter on the road. He is excellent at developing relationships with certain athletes but I do not believe he has the personality right now to run a program. Just not good enough with the back-ups/2nd tier starters in terms of giving them attention. This is where Tom could use him to run practices/work 1-on-1 with Marinelli, Young, and Kemmerer. I do believe Mejia would ask for a release and come to Iowa. I also believe we would get Chris Perry to join the RTC.
As a result of getting Mark Perry, I think we get IMar, Chris Perry, Mejia, and Delgado. That is an absolute win win and I think makes our lower and middle weights as good F*** U. This is absolutely a step in the right direction to putting Iowa back on top.
Second, Mark Perry is not just a great recruiter. I would consider him a better coach in the room than a recruiter on the road. He is excellent at developing relationships with certain athletes but I do not believe he has the personality right now to run a program. Just not good enough with the back-ups/2nd tier starters in terms of giving them attention. This is where Tom could use him to run practices/work 1-on-1 with Marinelli, Young, and Kemmerer. I do believe Mejia would ask for a release and come to Iowa. I also believe we would get Chris Perry to join the RTC.
As a result of getting Mark Perry, I think we get IMar, Chris Perry, Mejia, and Delgado. That is an absolute win win and I think makes our lower and middle weights as good F*** U. This is absolutely a step in the right direction to putting Iowa back on top.
Is it a bigger "waste" than not having him in the program at all? I might be wrong on this but I don't think Tom Ryan was an accomplished freestyle wrestler. And it could be a precursor to a move 1 or more years down the road.
Also, it would take a very hefty salary from the HWC to replace Terry's compensation package from the U of I.
Might all be moot anyway. No credible reports for his role at this time.
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Just got forwarded a screen shot of a Justin Mejia tweet from 20 minutes ago.
"Damn...didn't see this coming."
"Damn...didn't see this coming."
Understood And I agree. He's certainly a benefit in the room. Tom Ryan was not a great Freestyler, but he's not in charge of the Ohio RTC, is he? He's the steward of the whole program. I just don't know that Perry in this position would make sense. But you are also correct when you say this is all conjecture, we have no idea what role, if he takes the job, would be offered.
Perry is by all accounts a far more renowned freestyle coach than Tom Ryan. There's a reason why Novachov and Pami were there training under him in freestyle and it's not just that he was their coach previously. It's because he knows what he's doing. He didn't wrestle much internationally because his body wouldn't hold up, we all know this.
Ryan has to be a terrific FS coach. He took a nobody named Snyder and developed him into a World and Olympic champion. Like Cael developed Hall, Retherford, Nolf, Nickals, etc., Ryan developed Snyder.
Unfortunately, "herd mentality" happens every day across this country, and more so when alcohol is involved. The same mentality applies to riots and such. I'd be willing to bet that with few exceptions and in a one-on-one situation, every one of those charged would have called 911. People just seem to get stupid in groups. I don't get it, but it's often true.
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How is the Iowa room set up regarding coaching? PSU has Cody responsible on a daily basis for the coaching and practice regimen from 125 to 157. Casey has 165 to hwt. They set the tone, what's being worked upon, and corner every one of their guys during matches. From my understanding, Cael participates but does not run the daily shows.
Is Iowa similar or different, and who does what? Sometimes it's hard for me to follow along in the discussion and I think it's because you guys do it differently.
Is Iowa similar or different, and who does what? Sometimes it's hard for me to follow along in the discussion and I think it's because you guys do it differently.
Outside looking in , Terry to HWC and Perry to coach with the college team makes a lot of sense. I know some of you guys didn't like to hear this in the past but having Tom and Terry in similar positions is/was a bit redundant, imo. I think this move would make your entire program stronger. Amazing what an influx of money can do!
I was thinking the same thing. I remember many times Gable would say something to the effect of our responsibility is to be as good as we can. It is not for us to be worse but for other teams to get better. Very profound! People used to complain how Iowa being a super power was bad for the sport. Now Wrestling is associated with Iowa.
