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Mark Perry

The more I read, the more twisted this gets. One guy who wanted to call 911 was restrained by other "brothers" who were more concerned about covering it up. Truly sick.
That timeline is atrocious - kid slowly died over a period of 12 hours only seconds to safety early on if he could have just stumbled out of that place. Surrounded by a bunch of cowardly, stupid, venal frat boy jackasses.

If I'm the parents, I would be owning most of those kids (through paycheck garnishments) for decades - especially if no one gets significant jail time.
 
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That timeline is atrocious - kid slowly died over a period of 12 hours only seconds to safety early on if he could have just stumbled out of that place. Surrounded by a bunch of cowardly, stupid, venal frat boy jackasses.

If I'm the parents, I would be owning most of those kids (through paycheck garnishments) for decades - especially if no one gets significant jail time.

You'd think at least one person would have delivered the young man to the emergency room. Very bad stuff.

My best friend died that way. Instead of taking him to the hospital, his "friends" put him in a car and dumped his unconscious body in his front yard for his wife to find the next day. Lot of cowards out there.
 
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Does anyone think Perry is using this as leverage for a better contract? Maybe more money or perhaps the HC spot? I hope he actually comes back, but coaches seem to do this often to get better contracts at their current school.
 
Does anyone think Perry is using this as leverage for a better contract? Maybe more money or perhaps the HC spot? I hope he actually comes back, but coaches seem to do this often to get better contracts at their current school.
This had crossed my mind as well
 
I just want to be on record here, that any post that I have seen that mentions MP, I have established myself as a big fan of both his wrestling at Iowa, which was amazing, and his coaching/recruiting.

I point this out because I am wrong so often on this board that I feel pretty good about finally being on the right side of an issue.
 
Does anyone think Perry is using this as leverage for a better contract? Maybe more money or perhaps the HC spot? I hope he actually comes back, but coaches seem to do this often to get better contracts at their current school.

Maybe but I don't think Mark Perry needs much leverage. He could have had quite a few head coaching jobs already I think.
 
Does anyone think Perry is using this as leverage for a better contract? Maybe more money or perhaps the HC spot? I hope he actually comes back, but coaches seem to do this often to get better contracts at their current school.

No. Assistant coaches get fired for stuff like that.
 
The point is it's a waste of Perry's skills, IMO, to put him in that spot. His BEST skill is recruiting, and he can't do that as HWC coach. That's my understanding of the rules. Further, it makes no sense to have a non-Freestyler in charge of the Freestyle program. Even if the Brands are still involved, which of course they would be, their rightful primary focus will be on the Folkstyle team, leaving the guy in charge of the Freestylers a guy who was never a high level Freestyler.

I totally agree that the "big picture" would indicate it makes more sense to have Terry run the HWC and Mark coach for the university. As I think about it a little more, there might be a few factors that affect that...
1. Can they get the salary from the university to convince Mark to come?
2. Does Terry want to keep his ties to the university, so he doesn't screw-up his retirement plan?
3. Maybe the current staff think it will actually benefit the entire program most to have Mark and his personality running the HWC. He seems to be a very good salesman, & it appears as though building the HWC is a very big priority.
3a. Not sure if this would even be kosher by NCAA standards, but can Mark recruit high school wrestlers for the HWC? Sell them on post-grad opportunities that will be available after their college competition days are over? This would be a huge advantage, in terms of trying to get kids to commit to our college program. Again, I'm not even sure if there are regulations against this...
 
Does anyone think Perry is using this as leverage for a better contract? Maybe more money or perhaps the HC spot? I hope he actually comes back, but coaches seem to do this often to get better contracts at their current school.

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Having a dedicated 57-97 coach like Perry would be outstanding. We've been weak and under acheived there since he was here. Not to mention what he can bring from a recruiting stand point.
 
Unfortunately, "herd mentality" happens every day across this country, and more so when alcohol is involved. The same mentality applies to riots and such. I'd be willing to bet that with few exceptions and in a one-on-one situation, every one of those charged would have called 911. People just seem to get stupid in groups. I don't get it, but it's often true.

A PSU fan rationalizing and defending a tragedy that occurred. Shocking.

Not the first time for you either, like in the thread below. You know, when PSU wrestlers Nate Parker and Jean Celestin were charged with rape back in 1999, and the woman committed suicide in 2012. Your take on it says a lot.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/sexual-assault-article.135302/
 
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A PSU fan rationalizing and defending a tragedy that occurred. Shocking.

Not the first time for you either, like in the thread below. You know, when PSU wrestlers Nate Parker and Jean Celestin were charged with rape back in 1999, and the woman committed suicide in 2012. Your take on it says a lot.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/sexual-assault-article.135302/
Wow, dredging up 10 month old posts from another board!! I have my very first internet stalker. I'm honored.

First of all, acknowledging the truth of herd mentality isn't rationalizing anything. It happens daily. I neither made excuses nor defended any actions taken. Please do a better job of reading comprehension. I suspect many involved in that case will find prison time, and rightfully so.

My take on 1999 is that we only have newspaper articles to go on, and the trial that occurred many years before. The jury couldn't find enough evidence to convict, so who am I to say they got it wrong. They heard all the testimony. I did not. Very sad that the woman committed suicide in 2012. She may have committed suicide because the incident really was real. Or, she may have committed suicide for 1,000 other reasons that people end their lives over. Please share with me the dots that directly connect the two.

Rather than attack another poster's view, why not provide your own.
 
I totally agree that the "big picture" would indicate it makes more sense to have Terry run the HWC and Mark coach for the university. As I think about it a little more, there might be a few factors that affect that...
1. Can they get the salary from the university to convince Mark to come?
2. Does Terry want to keep his ties to the university, so he doesn't screw-up his retirement plan?
3. Maybe the current staff think it will actually benefit the entire program most to have Mark and his personality running the HWC. He seems to be a very good salesman, & it appears as though building the HWC is a very big priority.
3a. Not sure if this would even be kosher by NCAA standards, but can Mark recruit high school wrestlers for the HWC? Sell them on post-grad opportunities that will be available after their college competition days are over? This would be a huge advantage, in terms of trying to get kids to commit to our college program. Again, I'm not even sure if there are regulations against this...
Not exactly sure what the NCAA would say or think but seems it is being done so just need to go from there.
 
Wow, dredging up 10 month old posts from another board!! I have my very first internet stalker. I'm honored.

First of all, acknowledging the truth of herd mentality isn't rationalizing anything. It happens daily. I neither made excuses nor defended any actions taken. Please do a better job of reading comprehension. I suspect many involved in that case will find prison time, and rightfully so.

My take on 1999 is that we only have newspaper articles to go on, and the trial that occurred many years before. The jury couldn't find enough evidence to convict, so who am I to say they got it wrong. They heard all the testimony. I did not. Very sad that the woman committed suicide in 2012. She may have committed suicide because the incident really was real. Or, she may have committed suicide for 1,000 other reasons that people end their lives over. Please share with me the dots that directly connect the two.

Rather than attack another poster's view, why not provide your own.

Not surprised you feel flattered. That's what many PSU fans crave after all.

What's my view? Let's see.

My view is that the fraternity death is a tragedy. That the investigation needs to run it's course. But, on first glance, up to 18 "individuals" should be punished when/if convicted. You know, those cowards as Chickenman had the guts to call them. Not "the herd" as you wrote. That's rationalizing. And betting that individually they would each have called 911 if
not for "the herd", that's defending. Like a lawyer preparing a defense.

My view on the Nate Parker incident is that while he was acquitted, another PSU wrestler Jean Celestin was found guilty. Only on retrial 4 years later was the case not pursued because recorded phone calls with Parker admitting the incident were ruled
inadmissible and witnesses could not be located. And PSU paid the woman $17.5K for harassment by Parker and Celestin. And as part of the Sandusky scandal, PSU was investigated for how it handled a subsequent Parker indecent exposure charge. Lastly, I didn't link the suicide to the charges, but it was tragic. Not something most people would write "nothing to see here, move along" as you did.

My view on your response is that you, like other PSU fans, seek to immediately defend, rationalize, minimize or deflect anything that tarnishes the school's reputation. Like a reflex. No matter how horrible the scandal.
 
Not surprised you feel flattered. That's what many PSU fans crave after all.

What's my view? Let's see.

My view is that the fraternity death is a tragedy. That the investigation needs to run it's course. But, on first glance, up to 18 "individuals" should be punished when/if convicted. You know, those cowards as Chickenman had the guts to call them. Not "the herd" as you wrote. That's rationalizing. And betting that individually they would each have called 911 if
not for "the herd", that's defending. Like a lawyer preparing a defense.

My view on the Nate Parker incident is that while he was acquitted, another PSU wrestler Jean Celestin was found guilty. Only on retrial 4 years later was the case not pursued because recorded phone calls with Parker admitting the incident were ruled
inadmissible and witnesses could not be located. And PSU paid the woman $17.5K for harassment by Parker and Celestin. And as part of the Sandusky scandal, PSU was investigated for how it handled a subsequent Parker indecent exposure charge. Lastly, I didn't link the suicide to the charges, but it was tragic. Not something most people would write "nothing to see here, move along" as you did.

My view on your response is that you, like other PSU fans, seek to immediately defend, rationalize, minimize or deflect anything that tarnishes the school's reputation. Like a reflex. No matter how horrible the scandal.
I've said my peace and don't wish to waste any more time with someone who can't see the reality. You are obviously much more invested in this issue than I am, so I'll let you have your aneurysm by yourself.
 
I've said my peace and don't wish to waste any more time with someone who can't see the reality. You are obviously much more invested in this issue than I am, so I'll let you have your aneurysm by yourself.

Ha, well you asked for my view. I guess you didn't like it? Ok, you run home now.
 
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Just too many facts in "my view" I guess. Oh well.

Pennstate1985 has been one of the best PSU posters on here, always respectful, so back off. You, on the other hand, are new on this board (judging from your number of posts) unless you're a reincarnation for some reason. If you post here, please show respect for other posters, especially those from other schools who are respectful to us.
 
Pennstate1985 has been one of the best PSU posters on here, always respectful, so back off. You, on the other hand, are new on this board (judging from your number of posts) unless you're a reincarnation for some reason. If you post here, please show respect for other posters, especially those from other schools who are respectful to us.

What exactly was disrespectful? I that took issue with a post, was asked for my view and gave it. Then I was told to have an aneurysm. Real mature response. So there's nothing to back off. If the mod feels I'm violating some rule, I'm sure I'll get the ban. If not, you can put me on ignore as well.
 
What exactly was disrespectful? I that took issue with a post, was asked for my view and gave it. Then I was told to have an aneurysm. Real mature response. So there's nothing to back off. If the mod feels I'm violating some rule, I'm sure I'll get the ban. If not, you can put me on ignore as well.
I'm just impressed you all can spell aneurysm....cus I never would have been able to
 
I would take Perry over Metcalf mainly due to who Perry can bring with him now and in the future. Metcalf can't bring anyone that TNT can't already get.
 
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I just want to be on record here, that any post that I have seen that mentions MP, I have established myself as a big fan of both his wrestling at Iowa, which was amazing, and his coaching/recruiting.

I point this out because I am wrong so often on this board that I feel pretty good about finally being on the right side of an issue.

You may be wrong quite often on this board, but I want to go on record as saying I am wrong more than anyone . Do NOT try to take that title from me. It is all I have.
 
Even greater summary would be; when/if we get him and should he become the HWC coach it will be in part due to the efforts and support of the Hawkeye fans on this forum. It is truly great to be a HAWKEYE.

Incredibly well said. Whether he comes or not (I hope like hell that he does), we've all been a part of an awesome movement that has already sparked some great things that will benefit the HWC and Hawkeye wrestling. It's been incredibly rewarding to be a part of it and we're still at the start line.
 
I would take Perry over Metcalf mainly due to who Perry can bring with him now and in the future. Metcalf can't bring anyone that TNT can't already get.

I don't know how one can definitely say that.

That said, Perry has recruited and trained NCAA champions and is a well established coaching name. Brent would be well served to be what Perry is now in about 5 years. I think he will get there. But that's why, for now Perry > Metcalf and it isn't close.
 
I don't know how one can definitely say that.

That said, Perry has recruited and trained NCAA champions and is a well established coaching name. Brent would be well served to be what Perry is now in about 5 years. I think he will get there. But that's why, for now Perry > Metcalf and it isn't close.


I agree with that. It will be a while before Metcalf is considered a great asst. or head coach. I am not saying he won't be someday, but Perry does seem to have the credentials and enough success to be the better choice right now. He is judged by his deeds and they are pretty impressive. Metcalf is still a gamble, ( one that many places would love to take).
Also, I think Perry's funk would is a missing link to the Hawks being well rounded as wrestlers. The only down side I can see to Perry is that his personal life and habits may not gel with the Brands and their philosophy. By that I mean, I don't think Perry is a tea totaler. ( Is that spelled correctly?) No PD3 comparisons being made here, just saying that I understand that the Brands lead a pretty clean life.
 
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