Nate Jesuroga?
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you did not say it when he committed. you said it later on. and it's not a comparable situation.
with jesuroga, the coaches would have to convince him to come back to the sport. begging a kid who is out the door. assad was already back in. the whole article was about how he loved wrestling again. no convincing needed.
I did say it when he committed and I later (maybe last season) brought it back up in a debate with you. Matter a fact, you didn't even know he lost his love for the sport in HS. Yep...you said I was an idiot for saying it until I posted the article where Abe admitted it.
A Sebolt kid burned out?
Never saw it coming…
He makes amazing youth wrestlers, but at an extreme cost.
Never saw it coming…
He makes amazing youth wrestlers, but at an extreme cost.
You should follow along. None of this had anything to do with me being right or wrong. I'm only calling YOU out (no one else) for being a hypocrite saying something so crazy as this..
"it is almost impossible to succeed at a high level in college if you don't absolutely love it."
i've explained that it's a different situation. you're so fanatical you refuse to see it. keep wasting your time with your grand speeches. it's a wrestling forum. nobody cares
Assad in HS lost his love for the sport.
Jesuroga in HS lost his love for the sport.
For one you say this.."it is almost impossible to succeed at a high level in college if you don't absolutely love it."
For the other you say, "its a different situation."
Ok..I see now. Just had to write it out. Silly me. I finally get it JS and understand what you're saying now. My apologies... I'll move on.
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I think some of the piss in this pissing match might be hitting me on the leg.
No..we're done now. I lose every debate I ever have on this forum. I just like to pop up months or even years later and remind them of their "greatness".
You're done now? Thank you!No..we're done now. I lose every debate I ever have on this forum. I just like to pop up months or even years later and remind them of their "greatness".
Smartest thing you've ever said.
This! I think Drake is a fricking stud and with nine more of him we would definitely win it all.We have Drake… And need NINE more just like him. Period.
Very unfair to TJ. No clue what this even means. It's no where near what a lot of the elite youth do with home schooling so they can travel all over the country, change state/clubs constantly, and only wrestle 12 months a year. I'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of youth/ms wrestlers in the club that don't do multiple sports.
They go hard for sure, but most of those kids love how TJ pushes them and wear it as a badge of honor.
Are kids are always the best judges of what’s best for them?
Brands need to stop recruiting these soft wrestlers. Give me guys with the Spencer, DeSanto and Cassioppi mentality all day
Sebolt, whether it’s true or not, has the reputation as the most hard core youth club in the country. It’s certainly marketed that way. Is that the best way to develop wrestlers for college? Hard to tell, but I would think his primary job is to have these kids winning while their families are paying him.
did you eat paint chips as a kid? is that how you came up with your screen name?
Hey now, this is terrible. Assuming he ate paint chips just as a kid and is not still eating them now as an adult!!!
Agree to disagree.
We will see how well his kids perform in college.
You will see injuries, burn out, etc..
How well is his poster boy doing so far in college?
Cullan built Sebolt's Superman logo.
Guess it's your definition of what hard core means. If your coach uses his mean voice at times, your club is too hard core and he's going to burn all the kids out I guess.
I think all the top clubs in the state and country would be considered hard core in that there's practices year round, have lots of good partners, get after it intensely, have high expectations/aspirations, etc.
Fair enough... no one knows if TJ is the best or a good developer of college talent (we'll know soon as there are a bunch talent wrestling in college now). Cullan has unfortunately battled injuries, but he's still just a sophomore I believe. Iowa is a team full of injuries, maybe it's not a TJ problem...
With that said, if his guys don't perform in college to your expectations, why is that on TJ and not on their college coach?
Cullans had a couple good injuries prior to even coming into high school and has done a fair job considering all those injuries. They certainly altered his wrestling career but still a good solid kid.
I also think that there is a difference in the burnout factor with TJ's kids that compete and train year round versus his kids that are multi sport athletes in high school. The multi sport ones have that break and down time from wrestling to a certain degree to help avoid the wrestling burnout in my opinion. And if you are a full time TJ wrestler and competing at the high level you are non stop wrestling with intense training, intense travel, and high end competition all over. I think that really takes away some of you just getting a chance to be a kid away as well.
Heck it doesn't have to be just TJ's kids but any kids that train and compete year round with one sport when they are high school age or younger the burnout risk is there
I, for one, will be interested to see how the Sebolt kids perform AFTER high school as more of them make it to the college ranks.
Exactly one of my points.
Sebolt had that kid wrestling and cutting weight 12 months out of the year.
Like I said, he's his poster boy.
Gable-like workouts on a 76 pound kid body?
No thanks.
It's definitely a tough thing to do both mentally and physically. I'm ok with weight cutting as long as it's within reason. But seen so many times over the years drastic weight cuts just to make a weight. Not good for a young man that is still growing. Especially not good if parents, coaches, etc are encouraging these huge weight cuts for a spot on a team or to make weight for a certain tournament
I find it odd that the success or failure of a SWA affiliated wrestler falls on TJ. That if a kid burns out and/or doesn't do well in college it's 100% TJ's fault, not the kid's HS coaches, his college coaches, his parents, or even himself.
These parents send their kids to SWA with one goal in mind: to get better.
That's what TJ is paid to do and by and large he's been great at developing his high kids into legit threats (at least in their age group).
Where was Iowa youth wrestling a decade ago? No where on the map and now that we're emerging from obscurity once more we criticize the ones doing the work at that level.
Some of you guys are outta your damn minds.
Oh and lest we forget the amazing female wrestlers he's helped develop as well. Labeling Cullan as his poster child seems a bit discourteos when you consider Felicity Taylor.
I'm no fan of the Sebolt clan, especially his father. I wrestled with TJ from gradeschool to HS and have legit reasons to badmouth, but his mat club ain't it.
These parents send their kids to SWA with one goal in mind: to get better.
That's what TJ is paid to do and by and large he's been great at developing his high kids into legit threats (at least in their age group).
Where was Iowa youth wrestling a decade ago? No where on the map and now that we're emerging from obscurity once more we criticize the ones doing the work at that level.
Some of you guys are outta your damn minds.
Oh and lest we forget the amazing female wrestlers he's helped develop as well. Labeling Cullan as his poster child seems a bit discourteos when you consider Felicity Taylor.
I'm no fan of the Sebolt clan, especially his father. I wrestled with TJ from gradeschool to HS and have legit reasons to badmouth, but his mat club ain't it.
Eh. SWA has more than earned their reputation. Length of practice, the intensity of those practices, encouragement for some pretty big weight cuts and the expectations of winning are all pretty heavy.
So while SWA has done a fantastic job at producing a lot of winners at the youth and high school level - it remains to be seen if these kids will hold up in college (especially d1, ESPECIALLY with Tom/Terry).
This doesn't answer my question.
Why would their failure or success fall on SWA and not Tom and Terry?
If they don't hold up at the D1 level, especially with TNT, that seems to be more of an evaluation misfire and/or coaching failure.
I still don't get how you reasonably put that responsibility on a former mat club coach instead of the guys the university pays to develop talent.
It's definitely a bit of both. Tom and Terry likely aren't going to change. Ever. So they have to own their part in taking guys who may have possibly reached their peak or are susceptible to burnout.
But at the same time. Sebolt has to hold some accountability in terms of his demands as a coach. I'd say the expectation to win, ESPECIALLY at the youth level, is honestly a bit insane (see: email forwarded to parents saying wrestlers could not wear the "S" singlet after a poor performance at a tournament). It's a double edged sword that TJ is in complete control of. Success comes from the hard work - but what's more important? winning youth/high school titles or college? I think we'd all say college, and for one reason - a college degree.
But they have.
I would love to hear your thoughts/sights on this. Because going off an interview from just a year ago (Lex Fridman) he said he doesn't really believe that college guys can be over-trained/need to focus on recovery. That they have too much to learn.
If it's changed in the past year - would love to hear it.
I know a kid that's in the Iowa HS HOF. One of the best ever.
Pushed way too hard as a kid.
Big recruit out of high school.
Had a nervous breakdown in college. His dad was way too hard on him.
No college coach was going to fix him.
He was DONE with the sport.
Pushed way too hard as a kid.
Big recruit out of high school.
Had a nervous breakdown in college. His dad was way too hard on him.
No college coach was going to fix him.
He was DONE with the sport.
I wish he was but take a listen for yourself as people can come up with different conclusions. Around 7:35 is Tom’s response on recovery, and 18:00 on over training.
Thomas Gilman made it pretty clear that Iowa has a completely different philosophy in regards to burn out/ recovery than PSU.
My comments are not specific to any given wrestler, or coach, but I have seen a phenomenon where a top level youth competitor associated with a high level club "comes back to earth" as a collegian now quite a few times. I have seen this play out in wrestling, soccer, basketball, etc.
I think that some of the athletes have great success due to the high level coaching and drilling that they receive in their younger years. Also, confidence can wane once a given person cannot win nearly all of the contests and/or realize that others are equal to them or even inching ahead of them.
Someone coming from a club that is super dedicated to year round training, etc, can arrive to college and be pretty close to their max potential...while some others still have some room to "grow"...and do so...often overtaking the high performers from high school days.
In other words, there are many dynamics in play here and it really isn't valid to lay all of the explanation on any one coach or factor. Short version...very high performance as a youth doesn't guarantee high level success in college.
I think that some of the athletes have great success due to the high level coaching and drilling that they receive in their younger years. Also, confidence can wane once a given person cannot win nearly all of the contests and/or realize that others are equal to them or even inching ahead of them.
Someone coming from a club that is super dedicated to year round training, etc, can arrive to college and be pretty close to their max potential...while some others still have some room to "grow"...and do so...often overtaking the high performers from high school days.
In other words, there are many dynamics in play here and it really isn't valid to lay all of the explanation on any one coach or factor. Short version...very high performance as a youth doesn't guarantee high level success in college.
Also keep in that regardless of the sport and what club or youth program you come from and how much success you had, a very small percentage actually develop into studs or stars.
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