California immediately splits into 20 states, 18 of which are blue.One state. One vote. 26 states = victory...
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California immediately splits into 20 states, 18 of which are blue.One state. One vote. 26 states = victory...
It's the United States of America, not the People's Republic of America. The people of each state vote for president, then come together to choose via the electoral college. No compelling reason to changeDepends on how you look at it. Should the president represent the states or should the president represent the people? I'm inclined to go for the last one.
As long as we are going to be counting by groups of people instead of by individuas, we could have some really fun options.People vote, not land masses.
OK, give it one vote.Land masses make up the states and states form the country. Each state is an entity to itself and deserves one vote...
There are no compelling reasons to keep the electoral college in its current form."That may be smart politics, but it’s terrible for a democracy."
But makes perfect sense for a democratic republic....
There are no compelling reasons to keep it as it is currently. Rational, intelligent people understand the electoral college is not functioning as it was originally intended.It's the United States of America, not the People's Republic of America. The people of each state vote for president, then come together to choose via the electoral college. No compelling reason to change
It’s interesting that on other topics, cons bemoan what they perceive as group rights, but on this most fundamental right, they want to be a cog in the machine.As long as we are going to be counting by groups of people instead of by individuas, we could have some really fun options.
By race...
Whites get 1 vote, blacks get 1 vote, browns get 1 vote, reds get 1 vote, yellows get 1 vote.
By religion...
Christians get 1 vote, Jews get 1 vote, Muslims get 1 vote, atheists get 1 vote, Zoroastrians get 1....
By gender...
Men get 1 vote, women get 1 vote.
By extended gender...
Straight men get 1 vote, straigh women get 1 vote, lesbians get 1 vote, trans women get 1 vote....
By IQ
By age group
By marriage state
....
Cons don't want you to realize that the opposite of the feared "tyranny by the majority" is tyranny by some minority.Always interesting to see a minority like AOC advocate for mob rule of the majority.
It really is insane when you think about it.There are no compelling reasons to keep the electoral college in its current form.
It treats voters differently based on the state in which they live.
No rational person can believe this is the best system for our nation.
Nor is this one of those "if it ain't broke don't fix it" situations. It's definitely broke.There are no compelling reasons to keep it as it is currently. Rational, intelligent people understand the electoral college is not functioning as it was originally intended.
It’s long past time to change it or get rid of it.
This.
Cali, Texas, Florida, New York.No it isn't. We have a census every 10 years to apportion the votes. The only argument would be extremely low population states such as Wyoming, which get the minimum. We vote for electors, not for POTUS. The electors represent each state, as a state. States are supposed to hold the power. Has that power evolved and shifted? Yup, most definitely. But the idea is sound.
Shifting to a popular vote would mean candidates ignoring middle America. They would only care about the West Coast and Northeast.
Which is bad for our country.Screw “The Times” on this one. The Constitution trumps “The Times” on this one. The electoral college is here to stay.
Actually, it can be both - in the sense explained in the quote. Recheck the quoted passage.Wait. Do the small states haved more power per vote or does the ec not protect small states rights? It can't be both.
But it is what the country is built upon. You can’t change foundations Without creating havoc. This is small potatoes.Which is bad for our country.
No, it’s a huge issue, and I’ve been adamant about it for decades. There are no good reasons to keep the electoral college in its current form.But it is what the country is built upon. You can’t change foundations Without creating havoc. This is small potatoes.
No, it’s a huge issue, and I’ve been adamant about it for decades. There are no good reasons to keep the electoral college in its current form.
It promotes disunity in the country.
It weights votes differently based on residence.
Rational, intelligent people understand its flaws and incompatibility with today’s society.
First, it's not the states that need representation, it's the people who need representation.I would disagree. By ending the electoral college, small population states have NO say in the policies of the nation.....Cali, Texas, Fla and NY will run the country...and frankly, most of us cannot afford that. You gotta give the Nevadas, Maines, Vermonts, Iowas and Wyomings a sense that they "count" too.
For the electoral college to make any sense, each state should have 1 vote, because it is the states electing the president and not the people. But the votes are weighted by population, which is an admission that the people should decide and not the states.The electors were supposed to be able to vote for whomever they wanted. THAT was their power. That was why they were electors. There was never even supposed to BE a popular vote for president. And, the person who got the second-most electoral votes was VICE president. If you're not going to honor the original rules, then scrap it.
If you have no issue with a democracy at the state level, then stop bitching about it on a national lecvel.
Yeah... it's half-assed as it is.For the electoral college to make any sense, each state should have 1 vote, because it is the states electing the president and not the people. But the votes are weighted by population, which is an admission that the people should decide and not the states.
And you are wrong. All voters would be able to have a say in electing the president.I would disagree. By ending the electoral college, small population states have NO say in the policies of the nation.....Cali, Texas, Fla and NY will run the country...and frankly, most of us cannot afford that. You gotta give the Nevadas, Maines, Vermonts, Iowas and Wyomings a sense that they "count" too.
People like me have been complaining about the process for decades, regardless of which party wins. That point is irrelevant to the argument.This stuff just makes Democrat’s sound like babies. You know the rules, go out and win.
Complaining about the rules or Officiating just makes you sound like bitch husker fans.
People like me have been complaining about the process for decades, regardless of which party wins. That point is irrelevant to the argument.
It’s those who are unwilling to change a flawed system who are the whiny bitches.
Wrong. It’s flawed. Period. Full stop. The fact you can’t see it says a lot about you, none of it good.You may think it's flawed, but the Framers set it up purposefully to have the very effect that you guys are bitching about. I guess it's working just fine.
Wrong. It’s flawed. Period. Full stop. The fact you can’t see it says a lot about you, none of it good.
Wrong. It’s flawed. Period. Full stop. The fact you can’t see it says a lot about you, none of it good.
At least you acknowledge that I’m right.You're right and I'm stupid. Very mature.
Nope, I’m right.Maybe your thought process is flawed...FULL STOP.
You may think it's flawed, but the Framers set it up purposefully to have the very effect that you guys are bitching about. I guess it's working just fine.
Explain exactly how a system in which 12 votes could potentially override the votes of 10s of millions of other votes is perfect in its current form.The FF also set up this government to work slowly and deliberately.....evolution as opposed to revolution. Checks/balances and oversight all contribute to slow moving government.
“slow” is not in many folks vocabulary nowadays. Just think back to the last national election cycle.
That would entail being on Facebook. No thanks.Everyone in this thread should search Tara Ross on facebook and read her takes on the electoral college.