*****Quincy vs Iowa (EXH) Game Thread*****
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Kentucky almost lost to a NAIA team couple days ago. Young team that needs to grow. It'll be fine.
You haven't seen enough then because shit effort is pretty common when one group thinks the other is beneath them.
76 points given up to a D2 opponent is no good
Fran played half the game with freshman so not surprising the 76
Stupid excuse! Fran just doesn’t value defense, and that really isn’t debatable.
The problem I saw was that when Brock was in, the passing was way better and they were taking easy shots nut making freshman mistakes. When he wasnt in, it was all contested hard shots with a ton of overdribbleing. The game didnt count, but it was shocking how much better the chemistry was with the freshmen than the starters. Exactky the opposite of what I was expecting. I get the chemistry between Harding and Freeman, but still. Dembele was a beast on the boards and huge block.
The defense was bad still, don't get me wrong, but if you watched the game Quincy did hit some pretty slop 3s too including a couple banks. They shot 47% from 3 but only 38% from the field. And to be quite honest, I am way more concerned about the interior D going into the actual season than I am the 3 point line. Some of our guys are turn-stiles out there and Krikke isn't really a great shot alterer at the rim. So IDK, is there things to work on defensively? Of course. But I am honestly much more encouraged by the interior D that Freeman and Dembele showed in that second unit than I am discouraged by a D2 school throwing up 30 3s and shooting an absurd percentage. Overall, .938 points per possession in a game where a team shoots that high of percentages isn't all that bad to be honest.
Really am encouraged about the freshmen on a lot of different levels though. Dembele is a bit raw offensively, but if he figures that out the sky is the limit because that guy is a house on the boards and I actually think he did a pretty good job defensively especially since he was often guarding quicker, smaller wings on the perimeter. Freeman is as good as advertised IMO. Quick big who played passing lanes pretty well. Harding had a couple passes that made me cringe and a couple passes that wowed me. That's just going to be the Brock Harding Experience this first year especially. And Pryce is Pryce--he's going to get a lot of minutes this year.
Really am encouraged about the freshmen on a lot of different levels though. Dembele is a bit raw offensively, but if he figures that out the sky is the limit because that guy is a house on the boards and I actually think he did a pretty good job defensively especially since he was often guarding quicker, smaller wings on the perimeter. Freeman is as good as advertised IMO. Quick big who played passing lanes pretty well. Harding had a couple passes that made me cringe and a couple passes that wowed me. That's just going to be the Brock Harding Experience this first year especially. And Pryce is Pryce--he's going to get a lot of minutes this year.
Idk about that. He was looking pretty dejected walking off the floor after final subs on his way to the end of the bench.
I agree. I was loving the 4 freshman and Dix lineup. That was fun basketball
Not trying to argue and I admit I only watched pieces of the game but it looked like those same freshman got the lead and played better offensively.
Felt to me all Quincy had was their 3pt shot. Interior D looked good for stretches. It is concerning perimeter D wasn't better but without the crazy amount of casts and a bad first half from the line from Iowa tonight's game was a 50 point margin.
It seemed to me, last year Iowa went as Perkins went. Hopefully, he has a good year night in and night out.
10 guys this year, which I think could rotate in and out not miss a beat. In years past, you knew when a Murray or a Garza weren’t on the floor. The talent gap between 10-1 isn’t near as noticeable this year. Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. But I was pretty impressed with the freshman, especially Pryce. I wish Harding would have looked to score more, but as a PG his focus should be more on getting the off going and distributing which he did well.
Was there, and the starting lineup was about as bad as you could imagine. Unathletic and lazy both on offense and defense. No one on the starting lineup even tried to rebound and got schooled by Quincy often.
The tempo and the game picked up dramatically after Dix and the 4 freshmen entered the game in the first half and in the 2 half. You could tell they enjoy playing with each other and really got after it on the defensive end and rebounded better then the starters. I was super disappointed when Fran played the starters near the end of the game. He was begging for someone to get injured. glad they didn't.
Patrick needs to come off the bench. Krikke is going to struggle against Big Ten teams big time, goes to his left way too much. Still not sure about Bowen, seems slow and his shot at least in this game did not seem improved. Perkins seems disinterested for the start and Payton was just plain awful as the start of the game.
If Iowa is going to struggle this year with rebounding from McCaffery, Krikke, and Payton I'm alright with Iowa struggling with playing the 4 freshmen. for the rest of the year, at least they put forth the effort on the court.
The tempo and the game picked up dramatically after Dix and the 4 freshmen entered the game in the first half and in the 2 half. You could tell they enjoy playing with each other and really got after it on the defensive end and rebounded better then the starters. I was super disappointed when Fran played the starters near the end of the game. He was begging for someone to get injured. glad they didn't.
Patrick needs to come off the bench. Krikke is going to struggle against Big Ten teams big time, goes to his left way too much. Still not sure about Bowen, seems slow and his shot at least in this game did not seem improved. Perkins seems disinterested for the start and Payton was just plain awful as the start of the game.
If Iowa is going to struggle this year with rebounding from McCaffery, Krikke, and Payton I'm alright with Iowa struggling with playing the 4 freshmen. for the rest of the year, at least they put forth the effort on the court.
I thought the freshmen played pretty well defensively. Our team had seven blocked shots and 13 steals. The bench players were responsible for five of the blocks and nine of the steals.
Be careful what you wish for! Long post incoming.
I liked what I saw from Freeman and Dembele on that end of the floor. They both move well laterally and can block shots at the rim. More than that, though, is that they have defensive energy. I'd say they are better defensively than Krikke/McCaffery already or they will be soon. Dembele had a lapse on a baseline out of bounds play that led to a wide open corner three for Quincy, aside from that I liked his defense. PMac had a few deflections which was good to see. He is credited with one steal but I seem to remember him getting a hand on the ball multiple times. IMO, that's the key for him. He lacks prototypical quickness so he needs to make up for that by using his length.
Quincy had 16 points in the first 5:03 of game time. After that, things improved defensively. Let's look at how those first five minutes happened.
Possession 1: Payton Sandfort deflects a pass (intended receiver looking the wrong way), leads to a scramble which Quincy wins and immediately gets a wide open 3PT look from the wing which they made. A bit of tough luck on that play. 3 allowed
Possession 2: Halfcourt offense. Totally ineffective high ball screen that Perkins and Krikke defend easily. After that PMac's man goes to try and get the ball but PMac knocks the ball into the backcourt. By now Quincy is out of time, they chuck up a three which misses badly. Payton Sandfort's man gets the offensive rebound but then loses control of the ball out of bounds. Payton tried to box him out but he got around/through it. Aside from the offensive rebound, this was a good possession. 3 allowed
Possession 3: Halfcourt offense. They do some ball screen and dribble handoff type stuff that we defend pretty well without switching for about fifteen seconds but then they get PMac picked off on a dribble hand off leading to a made layup. Their big, Krikke's man, was the handoff/screener and got wide to screen PMac. Krikke switched and couldn't stop the dribble penetration and, while he contested the layup, didn't block it. Freeman might have been able to successfully defend this play. 5 allowed
Possession 4: Halfcourt offense. They feed the ball to their big who tries to go one-on-one against Krikke from just outside the right block. Krikke holds his ground, contests and the shot misses. 5 allowed
Possession 5: Kind of a secondary break, PMac's guy drives and although he gets to the rim, PMac stays in good position and gives a strong contest of the layup which misses. 5 allowed
Possession 6: Halfcourt. Their center again screens PMac, this time on a side ball screen and roll. PMac gets picked off pretty bad on this one - he tries to fight through, rather than calling for a switch, but it takes him a long time to actually get through it. Krikke gives a very conservative hedge (plenty of space for a jumper) but Quincy's guy tries to hit the roll man who fumbles the ball leading to a turnover. The outcome was a win but still didn't look well defended to me. 5 allowed
Possession 7: Halfcourt / Secondary break off a made basket(!) Here they caught us in a bit of a cross matchup with Perkins trying to guard a taller player (who Sandfort had been guarding). Quincy immediately sees the mismatch, posts up Perkins, feeds the post who scores. Disappointing to see us cross matched off of a make, Perkins drove to the basket so he had a lot of ground to cover to get back to his man but he didn't sprint back hard either. This might have been prevented if Perkins had sprinted back. 7 allowed
Possession 8: Halfcourt. Dribble handoff and roll from the left wing well past the three point line (Krikke's man screening Bowen). Bowen goes under the screen and kinda gets tangled up when the screener rolls. Krikke doesn't go out past the elbow and Quincy's guard steps into a wide open three which he makes. 10 allowed
Possession 9: Halfcourt. Perkins jumps a passing lane and gets his hands on the ball but it goes out of bounds (burns ~10sec from the shot clock). Quincy doesn't really get into much action on this possession. A few guys go one-on-one. PMac gets crossed over but he recovers and cuts off the drive. They have to give the ball to their main guy, Richardson, with Perkins on him and the shot clock winding down. Perkins is in great position but Richardson makes a nice rip through going to his left to create space for a three point attempt which he makes. Perkins fouls him in the act making things worse. Made FT. 14 allowed
Possession 10: Fast break. They get a 4-on-1 break after a Bowen turnover which they convert for a layup. 16 allowed
There it is. 16 points allowed on 10 possessions (1.6 PPP which is very, very bad). Some good defensive reps mixed in with the bad and some bad luck (kind of a fluky open 3 on first possession and a fast break on possession #10). But some obvious issues. Perkins didn't sprint back at 100% to prevent the cross-match on possession #7 and then got caught leaning the wrong way on possession #9.
Ball screen defense issues (again): (1) Krikke's uber-conservative "hedges" lead to jump shot opportunities and he also failed to keep the driver in front of him or block the layup when the offensive player drove, (2) Bowen tried going under a perimeter screen and got tangled up when the screener rolled, a very predictable outcome when you go under and (3) PMac was slow to get through perimeter screens - most 6'9 guys will struggle with this unless they are unicorn athletes so I don't think this reflects poor effort on PMac's part but it is something he will have to deal with whenever he is defending on the perimeter and it is going to be a problem.
I agree with a lot of this - particularly the sentiments regarding Freeman and Dembele providing some interior defense.
Regarding Dembele's rawness, I watched as much of his HS tape as I could find over the summer and thought that he has a nice looking jump shot. He definitely looked to shoot the ball with confidence from outside in the clips I saw. He might surprise us in that regard this season.
The line changes are dumb as hell. Interesting Dix got the development minutes with the frosh instead of Bowen.
A staggering amount of white guys with terrible tattoos
Nah, turned the game off for some family time.
After a rough start it looks like the boys played a little bit better. It’s going to be different this year without a clear cut #1 option without the Murray’s.
Could not watch the game. But sounds like Bowen hasn't improved much? Was really hoping he would be much better this year. Payton improve any?
Payton looks good attacking the rim a few times in transition but mightve been competition related. The jump shot isn't going anywhere. Pryce may be even more accurate from 3.
We are shockingly unathletic, that's not a racial reference either. I'm not sure we pose a mismatch problem for any team we'll play.
It's not like I told you people or anything.........it's definitely not that.
Raw, but Dembele is very athletic, and Freeman seemed pretty mobile as well... able to bring the ball up, rebound
Tattoo culture is getting out of hand with people under the age of 40.
Time to start taking things away from people to remove the temptation of making bad decisions that they don't need to learn from in the first place................
They are hideous. Lol @ braun's leg tat
I don't think a lineup that includes PMAC, Krikke, Payton in the front line can defend/rebound well enough to be a good team. There is a conflict of interest for Fran as Father in coaching PMAC and favoritism.
PMAC/Payton both play the same natural position at the #3 position and PMAC especially is not very good defensively, but he will likely start the entire season unless he asks papa not to start him.
Krikke probably has enough offense to make up for defense, at least at times.
This will be an interesting year. They seem to have a lot of different pieces/young talent and yet, when push comes to shove, Fran always favors Offense over Defense. It is more exciting to watch then Lickliter b-ball, that is for sure.
The obvious problem here is that Fran is again trying to play 3 slow 4s together in the starting lineup.
The real reason the second unit looks so much better is Freeman and Dembele are legit 4/5 players who rebound and defend the rim which allows you to get into transition and open shots on second chance points.
Patrick brings nothing at the 3 spot on either end and Krikke is not athletic enough to protect the rim. He's an offensive specialist 4/5 who needs another big in the game to cover his defensive deficiencies in the lane. Also, he can't be allowed to play matador defense just to avoid fouls. That's not acceptable this year with the depth they have.
Moving Dix into the starting lineup at the 2 and moving Perk to the 3 would also make a big difference in terms stopping penetration on one end and creating it on the other.
The real reason the second unit looks so much better is Freeman and Dembele are legit 4/5 players who rebound and defend the rim which allows you to get into transition and open shots on second chance points.
Patrick brings nothing at the 3 spot on either end and Krikke is not athletic enough to protect the rim. He's an offensive specialist 4/5 who needs another big in the game to cover his defensive deficiencies in the lane. Also, he can't be allowed to play matador defense just to avoid fouls. That's not acceptable this year with the depth they have.
Moving Dix into the starting lineup at the 2 and moving Perk to the 3 would also make a big difference in terms stopping penetration on one end and creating it on the other.
You beat me to it.
This starting lineup doesn't work and it's crazy to try and force it to.
Thing is, that starting lineup isn't going to be better on either end so it's going to be pretty agregious if Fran sticks with it all year.
What I saw Freeman looks legit. Definitely need him on the floor as much as possible. Probably can’t play with KriIkke much in Fran’s offense. Bowen is a mistake machine on both ends of floor. Reminds me of Kevin Smith. Dix, Harding, Perkins, and Pyrce should play the most meaningful minutes in backcourt. Defense is bad but it’s always bad. That’s why I feel Bowen can’t be out there. Limit the turnovers to help mitigate the poor D.
We might be able to get away with it during some games during the preseason but the minute big ten play starts that lineup will be a major liability
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