*****Florida A&M vs Iowa Game Thread*****
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All of the players on that team would’ve been great 3 pointers
Big time three .. .from number 25! Jess not looking at the program. 
Frankly, only scoring 87 against this team is bad.
Can Laketa get it to 90....er 89....88?
Most of the crowd is there for the women's game.
Brauns was worth a scholarship? Sure, no one is going to convince me that Fran couldn't find a more productive player from the portal then Even!
You want to know why Iowa has 5 losses and will end up with the end results like the 2017 team or worse, that's a prime example right there....
You want to know why Iowa has 5 losses and will end up with the end results like the 2017 team or worse, that's a prime example right there....
He was clearly a miss. Unfortunate but Fran had been pretty good in the portal otherwise.
He’s not on scholarship. Personally, I love his game. Athletic shot blocking defender who rebounds. I wish he’d get more minutes. Krikke has no business defending the 5.
Just way too slow to defend and Perkins is not a point guard. He doesn’t generate baskets for other players. One or both of Bowen and Harding should start over Patrick and/or Sandfort.
So our 2 starting "bigs" played 20 and 21 minutes scoring 6 and 5 points.... 4 boards each. Impressive stuff.
Freeman 19 minutes. 14 points and 11 boards... Hmmmmm
Freeman 19 minutes. 14 points and 11 boards... Hmmmmm
Considering the lack of any real competition in this game, that is embarrassingly bad.
Freeman started for the 2nd straight game. So are you implying that he isn't a starting Big with this post?
Patrick is playing the "2" in the starting lineup, so I'm not sure why you are including him in this big discussion. We're now 11 games in to the season and Payton has guarded the 4 every single time he's in there with just one of the other bigs, so if you're including one of our wings as a big then it should be Sandfort. I think we all wish that Pat played like he was actually 6'9 but it's year 4 and he doesn't. I actually thought Pat was pretty engaged defensively today, but let's be honest, the competition level wasn't great. He should come off the bench and we should start another guard, but I doubt that happens unfortunately.
Freeman looks to be a legit stud at center---but it is alway difficult to keep out of foul trouble when have to defend the post. He needs a backup---Brauns looks like the guy.
If Mulvey has been worthy of 3 years of scholarship,then I could see Brauns getting a scholly.
Freeman/Braun--> center
Dimbele/Krikke--> PF
Bring in Krikke PF and Braun (C) together, because Krikke has offense but is terrible defender/rebounder
Top 3 guards: Dix, Perkins, Bowen...with Harding off the bench.
We don't have enough guard talent...glaring issue. Most teams play 3 guards and two Bigs.
Fran has an excess of Tall, lanky forwards that can play offense but can't defend or rebound. We have shortage of quality guards that can score and help rebound.
This is Frans worst starting lineup since playing Jack Nunge at the 3.
He's really hampering the development of what this group could be.
I agree with your comments.
It is weird FM plays people out of position in positionless BBall so he can get his son on the floor, hmm.
Ah, yes. Good old positionless basketball. It works so well that the best teams on the men's side have embraced it right? I think Edey was running the point against 'zona yesterday. Sorry, probably can't call it the point in positionless ball.
Agree with all of this, although the guards he does have are better than the majority of his teams in the past.
Which makes it all the more odd that he's choosing to play so many people out of position this year.
Different priorities I guess.
I can’t say I agree with this group of guards being better than most of Fran’s teams. In fact, I’d argue this may be one of his worst groups talent wise being just slightly above 2017-18.
2023-24: Bowen-Harding-Dix-Pay Sandfort
20210-11: Gatens-Cartwright-Marble-May-Payne
2011-12: Gatens-Cartwright-Marble-May-Oglesby
2012-13: Marble-Gesell-Clemmons-May-Oglesby
2013-14: Marble-Gesell-Clemmons-Oglesby-Jok
2014-15: Gesell-Clemmons-Jok-Oglesby-Ellingson (Oglesby and Ellingson together 🤮)
2015-16: Gesell-Clemmons-Jok-Ellingson- C Williams
2016-17: Jok-Bohannon-Moss-Ellingson-Williams
2017-18: Bohannon-Moss-Dailey-Ellingson
2018-19: Bohannon-Wieskamp-Moss-C McCaffery-Dailey
2019-20: Bohannon-Toussaint-Evelyn-Fredrick-Wieskamp-McCaffery
2020-21: Bohannon-Toussaint-Wieskamp-Ulis-Perkins
2021-22: Bohannon-Toussaint-McCaffrey-Perkins-Ulis-Pay Sandfort
2022-23: Perkins-Ulis-Bowen-Dix-McCaffery-Sandfort
There’s not one group worse than this year except maybe 2017-18. Possibly last year too but it’s basically the same group after trading Ulis and Connor for Harding. Harding has potential to be a really good guard in the league. I’m to the point where Fran rides with him taking the bad with the good.
2017 team turned out decent and was a horseshit call against Minnesota from making NCAA basketball tournament. 2018 team was bad.
Well, we can disagree. I'd say most of those groups have good shooters but are lacking a real pg and a guy who can attack off the dribble.
Definitely some better individual players in some of those years.
I like the upside of Harding Bowen and Dix but none of them have played enough yet to say how good they will be.
I want guards that can create off the dribble and go around defenders rather than relying on outside shooting.
Calling Weiskamp a guard is pretty iffy, he was strictly a 3 point shooter and not a ball handler, so I’d disagree with you at least 17/18 through probably 21/22.
Calling a lot of those guys guards depends on how you define it.
McCafferys and Sandforts are forwards. Daily was a forward.
Marble Jok and Gattens all had the ball in their hands by necessity but ideally they were 3s and most of them started most of their games as the "3". Same with Joe W.
But Gattens, Jok and Joe ran off screens a lot and Marble handled the ball so it really depends on how we define it.
I was really referring to the 1s and 2s when talking about guards because the 4 guards on this team are all 1s and 2s.
I mean he was only a Jerry West Shooting Guard of the year finalist, what two out of three seasons? He played the three a lot for Iowa, but in the same sense of this entire argument, Sandfort is playing the four, as did Connor. All of them are guards. It sounds more like you guys are talking about PGs???
You’d take this group over 2019-20: Bohannon-Toussaint-Evelyn-Fredrick-Wieskamp-McCaffery. Even Evelyn on this squad would make this team significantly better.
We're comparing apples to oranges here a little bit, Perkins is the only guard on this team that has played enough to get a real idea of what he is.
My optimistic opinion on these young guys is based on a small sample sizes this year but there's not enough data to back up my opinion.
I don't think Eveyln would be more than 10th man.
I do agree that Joe W, a healthy CJ and Toussaint (once Fran was forced to start him) was a pretty good group, but a big part of that was defense and general toughness. I'd trade them for the guys Fran has starting at the 1-3 this year no doubt.
If Fran was forced to start his younger guards this year like he was that year I believe this team would be in better shape come February.
But that's not likely to happen.
I think we’ve seen enough of Bowen to get a fair assessment. Harding is the one I want to see more of, but like what I see so far. The connection with Freeman is huge and you can kind of see start with the other guys too. His court vision is unreal. I’m not sure where his conditioning is (seems fine so far), but I’d like Iowa to get him as many minutes as he can handle.
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