At the time I couldn’t believe the Raycom stuff passed anyone’s smell test.
Could there be back scratching for others, or just incompetence + DGAF?
FSU to the B1G
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Could there be back scratching for others, or just incompetence + DGAF?
I feel sorry for SMU.
They didn’t even realize they just buying a seat at the kids table.
Considering they were on NCAA death penalty back in the 80s they should consider themselves fortunate.
BY is the Big12 commissioner. For all their bluster, the ACC moocher schools are scared. There are a lot of them and most won't find a new home that pays them anything close to what they receive currently.
That is exactly the problem. Most of the acc is perfectly happy with the revenue gap between B1G/SEC and acc; they care if the long term result is not being competitive on the field with those conferences.
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Wank Forest has been talking the most trash, both yesterday and this past summer when our eventual leaving was news.
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A little exaggerated but...
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FSU grad and lawyer. She is followed by more than a few FSU people. The Big Ten Information account retweeted several of her posts.
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This MHver3 dude is a poser. He's been making shit up for a long time now.
Would love to see a deeper dive into that chart of game viewership. I'd imagine for most of the teams that have 5 or less, the game they did have involved a match up against either FSU, Clemson, or Notre Dame.
Sure as hell not getting those numbers for a game between Duke and VA Tech
This is one of the things I will really miss… Dominating the country’s best Soccer Conference.
CARY, N.C. (theACC.com) – Headlined by two goals from All-ACC First Team Selection Jody Brown, top-seeded Florida State claimed its second national championship in three years and fourth all-time with a 5-1 victory over Stanford on Monday evening at WakeMed Soccer Park.
With the Seminoles’ title, the ACC claimed its 25th women’s soccer national championship and 28th among current membership. The next closest conference has just seven titles. Florida State closes the season with an undefeated 22-0-1 record.
FSU scored early and often as its two first-half goals came in the 29th minute and just 26 seconds apart. ACC Freshman of the Year Jordynn Dudley converted from the penalty spot to the open scoring, while Brown chipped in her first goal seconds later to give the Noles a quick 2-0 lead. They would take that advantage into the halftime break.
The Cardinal goal came in the 52nd minute and made the score 2-1.
For the NCAA Tournament, Florida State outscored its opponents 20-1 as Stanford became the first team to score on the Seminole defense.
Six minutes later, Beata Olsson took a long pass down the sideline and scored FSU’s third goal on the night. Brown scored in the 61st minute and later sealed the match on a failed Stanford clearance that hit Onyi Echegini and landed in the back of the net.
Following the match, six FSU standouts were named to the Women's College Cup All-Tournament team: Dudley (Offensive M.O.P.), Lauren Flynn (Defensive M.O.P.), Brown, Taylor Huff, and Leilanni Nesbeth.
Earlier this fall, the ACC claimed national championships in Women’s Cross Country (NC State) and field hockey (North Carolina), as the conference earned its 185th national title all-time with Florida State’s victory.
CARY, N.C. (theACC.com) – Headlined by two goals from All-ACC First Team Selection Jody Brown, top-seeded Florida State claimed its second national championship in three years and fourth all-time with a 5-1 victory over Stanford on Monday evening at WakeMed Soccer Park.
With the Seminoles’ title, the ACC claimed its 25th women’s soccer national championship and 28th among current membership. The next closest conference has just seven titles. Florida State closes the season with an undefeated 22-0-1 record.
FSU scored early and often as its two first-half goals came in the 29th minute and just 26 seconds apart. ACC Freshman of the Year Jordynn Dudley converted from the penalty spot to the open scoring, while Brown chipped in her first goal seconds later to give the Noles a quick 2-0 lead. They would take that advantage into the halftime break.
The Cardinal goal came in the 52nd minute and made the score 2-1.
For the NCAA Tournament, Florida State outscored its opponents 20-1 as Stanford became the first team to score on the Seminole defense.
Six minutes later, Beata Olsson took a long pass down the sideline and scored FSU’s third goal on the night. Brown scored in the 61st minute and later sealed the match on a failed Stanford clearance that hit Onyi Echegini and landed in the back of the net.
Following the match, six FSU standouts were named to the Women's College Cup All-Tournament team: Dudley (Offensive M.O.P.), Lauren Flynn (Defensive M.O.P.), Brown, Taylor Huff, and Leilanni Nesbeth.
Earlier this fall, the ACC claimed national championships in Women’s Cross Country (NC State) and field hockey (North Carolina), as the conference earned its 185th national title all-time with Florida State’s victory.
Back when Maryland left this awful conference, there were dueling lawsuits with one in Maryland and one in N Carolina.
www.testudotimes.com
ACC-Maryland lawsuit settlement: What happened and what it means
www.testudotimes.com
A lot of truth here. The previous administration should be shot.
Part 1
A comprehensive overview of Raycom and how the past is impacting the eventual departure of FSU from the ACC
This is NOT a tweet providing new details, it is an overview connecting the dots on everything so folks better understand how this is connected to FSU leaving the ACC.
What is important: The ACC, under John Swofford, through 2010 to 2013, signed away more rights than other conferences and for a lower price point. Thus, the rights were sold under market value. The decisions made in those years is why the ACC is on the verge of losing the top football brands in the conference. In other words, nepotism is what led to there being more rights being signed away by John Swofford than all other conferences ever have in the past and also led to the inclusion of Boston College to the ACC.
No citation for the above paragraph as that is information form my own knowledge and research.
What is important: It is common practice when a league or conference that is negotiating a TV deal to have all interested parties bid against each other. Instead, “John Swofford, the ACC commissioner, went into these meetings telling them that Raycom was going to be included.” It wasn’t an option and couldn’t be negotiated, it was a requirement. The crux of the problem is that “John Swofford did this in order to keep Raycom in business.” His son, Chad Swofford, was hired by Raycom Sports in 2007 and was the Director of New Media & Marketing. Prior to working at Raycom Sports, he spent three years at Boston College as an Assistant Director of Sports Marketing.
Citation for above paragraph: https://forbes.com/sites/chrissmith...heyre-killing-the-conference/?sh=312eac276375
sportsbusinessjournal.com
What is important: John Swofford is on-the-record with public comments that the “ACC was only willing to consider a media deal that included Raycom.” Why did he do this? His son. Therefore, the “ACC gave away its conference members most valuable televised properties but accepted sub-par rights fees.” This put the ACC behind other conferences in regards to their media contracts and conference payouts to the conference members. In other words,” the ACC gave away more and got back less.”
Citation:
forbes.com
A comprehensive overview of Raycom and how the past is impacting the eventual departure of FSU from the ACC
This is NOT a tweet providing new details, it is an overview connecting the dots on everything so folks better understand how this is connected to FSU leaving the ACC.
What is important: The ACC, under John Swofford, through 2010 to 2013, signed away more rights than other conferences and for a lower price point. Thus, the rights were sold under market value. The decisions made in those years is why the ACC is on the verge of losing the top football brands in the conference. In other words, nepotism is what led to there being more rights being signed away by John Swofford than all other conferences ever have in the past and also led to the inclusion of Boston College to the ACC.
No citation for the above paragraph as that is information form my own knowledge and research.
What is important: It is common practice when a league or conference that is negotiating a TV deal to have all interested parties bid against each other. Instead, “John Swofford, the ACC commissioner, went into these meetings telling them that Raycom was going to be included.” It wasn’t an option and couldn’t be negotiated, it was a requirement. The crux of the problem is that “John Swofford did this in order to keep Raycom in business.” His son, Chad Swofford, was hired by Raycom Sports in 2007 and was the Director of New Media & Marketing. Prior to working at Raycom Sports, he spent three years at Boston College as an Assistant Director of Sports Marketing.
Citation for above paragraph: https://forbes.com/sites/chrissmith...heyre-killing-the-conference/?sh=312eac276375
History with ACC secures future for Raycom
sportsbusinessjournal.com
What is important: John Swofford is on-the-record with public comments that the “ACC was only willing to consider a media deal that included Raycom.” Why did he do this? His son. Therefore, the “ACC gave away its conference members most valuable televised properties but accepted sub-par rights fees.” This put the ACC behind other conferences in regards to their media contracts and conference payouts to the conference members. In other words,” the ACC gave away more and got back less.”
Citation:
The ACC's Third Tier Rights And Why They're Killing The Conference
There has been much confusion in recent weeks about the ACC's television rights. Ultimately, the conference gave up a significant chunk of its members' television properties but did not receive enough in return.
forbes.com
Part 2
What is important: In most cases, “there’s little to be done to amend this. In football, five of the ACC’s full-time members are private schools. Four of those are Boston College, Duke, Syracuse and Wake Forest, and none of them boast football followings that would be considered robust. The other private school is Miami” — a national brand that brings good TV ratings.
Citations: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
My own comments: I used that sentence from the News Observer since it was written so well and got the point across better than I could without writing 250 words to say it.
What is important: Why is the above paragraph relevant? According to SportsMediaWatch data that Tomahawknation studied and correctly presented, “from 2012 to 2023, 17 ACC regular season football games had 5 million viewers or more. Florida State has played in 12 of those games.” No other school in the ACC has that type of media value. Clemson, while having a team that competed for national titles over the last several years, do not have the TV draw that Florida State does. The data tells us that “more than half of Clemson’s conference games with more than 5 million viewers have come against Florida State. The others came against Notre Dame in 2020 and against Louisville when they had Lamar Jackson at QB.”
Citation: https://tomahawknation.com/florida-...2-pac-smu-cal-stanford-breakdown-grant-rights
What is important: When you combine the selling of rights for under market value and a corrupt negotiation from the start, Florida State is being severely underpaid and undervalued for their TV value to a conference.
Citation: none. My own words.
When the ACC added Stanford, California, and SMU as conference members, it was a move to provide the ability for the conference to sustain losses of conference members to maintain the required number of conference members - 15. These were not additions based on TV value, but survivability. “These additions did not add value to the overall value of the Tier1 rights of the ACC.”
Citation: Florida State Board of Trusteees meeting on 12/22.
The rest of the paragraph is what I personally argued for months for why those three should be added.
What is important: The ACC’s expansion moves made sense at the time when they added the Big East schools, but Boston College never delivered the Boston market and Syracuse never delivered the NYC market. And when these additions were made, cord cutting didn’t have an impact on TV networks like it has over the last few years. When you combine the signing off of rights that are under market value, loss of subscriptions from cord cutting, and adding schools that didn’t add to the overall value of the Tier1 rights, you are creating more stress points than overall growth in the value of the conference.
Citation: https://cordcutting.com/blog/a-history-of-cord-cutting/
What is important: In most cases, “there’s little to be done to amend this. In football, five of the ACC’s full-time members are private schools. Four of those are Boston College, Duke, Syracuse and Wake Forest, and none of them boast football followings that would be considered robust. The other private school is Miami” — a national brand that brings good TV ratings.
Citations: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
My own comments: I used that sentence from the News Observer since it was written so well and got the point across better than I could without writing 250 words to say it.
What is important: Why is the above paragraph relevant? According to SportsMediaWatch data that Tomahawknation studied and correctly presented, “from 2012 to 2023, 17 ACC regular season football games had 5 million viewers or more. Florida State has played in 12 of those games.” No other school in the ACC has that type of media value. Clemson, while having a team that competed for national titles over the last several years, do not have the TV draw that Florida State does. The data tells us that “more than half of Clemson’s conference games with more than 5 million viewers have come against Florida State. The others came against Notre Dame in 2020 and against Louisville when they had Lamar Jackson at QB.”
Citation: https://tomahawknation.com/florida-...2-pac-smu-cal-stanford-breakdown-grant-rights
What is important: When you combine the selling of rights for under market value and a corrupt negotiation from the start, Florida State is being severely underpaid and undervalued for their TV value to a conference.
Citation: none. My own words.
When the ACC added Stanford, California, and SMU as conference members, it was a move to provide the ability for the conference to sustain losses of conference members to maintain the required number of conference members - 15. These were not additions based on TV value, but survivability. “These additions did not add value to the overall value of the Tier1 rights of the ACC.”
Citation: Florida State Board of Trusteees meeting on 12/22.
The rest of the paragraph is what I personally argued for months for why those three should be added.
What is important: The ACC’s expansion moves made sense at the time when they added the Big East schools, but Boston College never delivered the Boston market and Syracuse never delivered the NYC market. And when these additions were made, cord cutting didn’t have an impact on TV networks like it has over the last few years. When you combine the signing off of rights that are under market value, loss of subscriptions from cord cutting, and adding schools that didn’t add to the overall value of the Tier1 rights, you are creating more stress points than overall growth in the value of the conference.
Citation: https://cordcutting.com/blog/a-history-of-cord-cutting/
Part 3
What is important: Back in 2007 the “Big Ten launched its own television network, a decision that proved wise and financially rewarding, and one that allowed the conference, in essence, to print money.” And after 16 years of equity ownership by the Big Ten Conference members, there are hundreds of millions of equity built up for each Big Ten member. What is the equity value for every ACC member with the ACC Network? $0.00.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
theathletic.com
What is important: “While Fox Sports remains the majority owner of the Big Ten Network, the conference has been the biggest beneficiary of the success from the network. It increased the league’s reach and placed the Big Ten into a different financial stratosphere, one that enabled it to lure Maryland from the ACC in 2012” And here comes a problem. Florida State, among other ACC schools, were exploring the possible opportunity to leave the ACC for another conference. In the summer of 2023, The Athletic wrote a story about the Big Ten’s approach of the ACC schools. The ACC, still not having a conference network, were forced into signing a GOR until 2036. It turns out that when these GOR’s were signed, ESPN, a TV partner with the ACC, had (and still does) a clause to exit the ACC TV deal in 2027 if they opted for that option or they could execute an extension until 2036. Did members of the ACC know about that, at that time? If not, the GOR should be ruled invalid for misrepresentation, IMO.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
Other citation: FSU’s legal filing to sue the ACC for the 2027 information.
What is important: Back in 2007 the “Big Ten launched its own television network, a decision that proved wise and financially rewarding, and one that allowed the conference, in essence, to print money.” And after 16 years of equity ownership by the Big Ten Conference members, there are hundreds of millions of equity built up for each Big Ten member. What is the equity value for every ACC member with the ACC Network? $0.00.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
The Big Ten Network 'busted open a new frontier'
Jim Delany: “It's been something that a lot of people can be really proud of.”
theathletic.com
What is important: “While Fox Sports remains the majority owner of the Big Ten Network, the conference has been the biggest beneficiary of the success from the network. It increased the league’s reach and placed the Big Ten into a different financial stratosphere, one that enabled it to lure Maryland from the ACC in 2012” And here comes a problem. Florida State, among other ACC schools, were exploring the possible opportunity to leave the ACC for another conference. In the summer of 2023, The Athletic wrote a story about the Big Ten’s approach of the ACC schools. The ACC, still not having a conference network, were forced into signing a GOR until 2036. It turns out that when these GOR’s were signed, ESPN, a TV partner with the ACC, had (and still does) a clause to exit the ACC TV deal in 2027 if they opted for that option or they could execute an extension until 2036. Did members of the ACC know about that, at that time? If not, the GOR should be ruled invalid for misrepresentation, IMO.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
Other citation: FSU’s legal filing to sue the ACC for the 2027 information.
Part 4
What is important: When you are Florida State, there are now several issues arising. The knowledge of knowing your rights were signed away at an under market value because of nepotism, the knowledge of being by far the most valued TV draw in the ACC (worth the most to the TV networks than other ACC members) and being underpaid for it, a conference network that didn’t exist at the time the GOR was signed, and not having knowledge of the 2027 option for ESPN at the time the GOR was signed. All of that and a $40M to $50M+ payout gap has arisen between Florida State and the Big Ten and SEC over the course of the last two TV contracts while Florida State is still stuck in a contract negotiated/signed in the 2010’s at an under market value and not having a known payout value past 2027. How can a GOR be enforceable past 2027 when a TV partner can exit? No financial damages should be executed past 2027 in a negotiated exit for Florida State. Again, all of this comes back to a failed negotiation by John Swofford.
Citations: research based statistical breakdowns of TV deals available upon request. My own work.
What is important: By the time the ACC Network came to fruition, the ACC had fallen further and further behind the Big Ten and the SEC.” Media consumption dynamics (cord cutting, loss of sub revenue for the TV networks, streaming costs) had changed.” The ACC lagged far behind.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
And the bigger problem is not the timing, it is the fact that more rights were signed off to Raycom, again, under market value, than the amount of rights that other conferences signed off, lowering the ability and value of the ACC Network outside of sub fees that ESPN collects. And in fact, “Racyom paid ESPN and the money didn’t (and doesn’t) go to the conference members.” That is loss revenue for the conference members. To use the correct terminology - “ESPN sub-licensed rights to Raycom Sports for $50 million a year that it did not have to share with the conference. Once again, this was done at the behest of then-ACC Commissioner John Swofford, who wanted to keep Raycom as an ACC TV partner above all else in TV negotiations and that was not negotiable. “
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
tomahawknation.com
What is important: When you are Florida State, there are now several issues arising. The knowledge of knowing your rights were signed away at an under market value because of nepotism, the knowledge of being by far the most valued TV draw in the ACC (worth the most to the TV networks than other ACC members) and being underpaid for it, a conference network that didn’t exist at the time the GOR was signed, and not having knowledge of the 2027 option for ESPN at the time the GOR was signed. All of that and a $40M to $50M+ payout gap has arisen between Florida State and the Big Ten and SEC over the course of the last two TV contracts while Florida State is still stuck in a contract negotiated/signed in the 2010’s at an under market value and not having a known payout value past 2027. How can a GOR be enforceable past 2027 when a TV partner can exit? No financial damages should be executed past 2027 in a negotiated exit for Florida State. Again, all of this comes back to a failed negotiation by John Swofford.
Citations: research based statistical breakdowns of TV deals available upon request. My own work.
What is important: By the time the ACC Network came to fruition, the ACC had fallen further and further behind the Big Ten and the SEC.” Media consumption dynamics (cord cutting, loss of sub revenue for the TV networks, streaming costs) had changed.” The ACC lagged far behind.
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263200793.html
And the bigger problem is not the timing, it is the fact that more rights were signed off to Raycom, again, under market value, than the amount of rights that other conferences signed off, lowering the ability and value of the ACC Network outside of sub fees that ESPN collects. And in fact, “Racyom paid ESPN and the money didn’t (and doesn’t) go to the conference members.” That is loss revenue for the conference members. To use the correct terminology - “ESPN sub-licensed rights to Raycom Sports for $50 million a year that it did not have to share with the conference. Once again, this was done at the behest of then-ACC Commissioner John Swofford, who wanted to keep Raycom as an ACC TV partner above all else in TV negotiations and that was not negotiable. “
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
FSU vs. ACC: How did we get here? Revenue issues, Grant of Rights and more
A breakdown of everything you need to know about FSU’s potential departure from the ACC, from its issues with the conference to why it hasn’t left
tomahawknation.com
Part 5
What is important: “Swofford maintained it was due to Raycom’s long standing relationship as a media partner with the ACC. However, Swofford’s son was a Raycom executive and maintaining the rights to the ACC was a necessary lifeline after Raycom had lost the rights to the SEC the year prior. This is an egregious example of nepotism “
Citation: https://tomahawknation.com/florida-...2-pac-smu-cal-stanford-breakdown-grant-rights
What is important: Raycom then subleased a bunch of those rights to Fox, which ended up under BallySports which recently filed for bankruptcy.
Citation: Maryland court case with the ACC and https://apnews.com/article/sports-b... networks,million interest payment last month.
What is important: This has led to the ACC having more than two middlemen, where the Big Ten doesn’t have a middleman for their third tier rights. “It wasn't even like Raycom produced them and it propped up Raycom's reputation and presence...it was a straight cash giveaway in which the ACC forced ESPN to sell rights at below market, simply so Raycom could resell and take a profit.”
Citation: Lou_C https://csnbbs.com/thread-850623-page-4.html
What is important: “ESPN took the loss selling those games under market value...that was passed on in the TV contract. And there was absolutely no reason for it other than scratching the back of an old pal. None whatsoever. The Raycom giveaway was absolute indefensible garbage at the time, it's indefensible today. “
Citation: Citation: Lou_C https://csnbbs.com/thread-850623-page-4.html
What is important: “Swofford maintained it was due to Raycom’s long standing relationship as a media partner with the ACC. However, Swofford’s son was a Raycom executive and maintaining the rights to the ACC was a necessary lifeline after Raycom had lost the rights to the SEC the year prior. This is an egregious example of nepotism “
Citation: https://tomahawknation.com/florida-...2-pac-smu-cal-stanford-breakdown-grant-rights
What is important: Raycom then subleased a bunch of those rights to Fox, which ended up under BallySports which recently filed for bankruptcy.
Citation: Maryland court case with the ACC and https://apnews.com/article/sports-b... networks,million interest payment last month.
What is important: This has led to the ACC having more than two middlemen, where the Big Ten doesn’t have a middleman for their third tier rights. “It wasn't even like Raycom produced them and it propped up Raycom's reputation and presence...it was a straight cash giveaway in which the ACC forced ESPN to sell rights at below market, simply so Raycom could resell and take a profit.”
Citation: Lou_C https://csnbbs.com/thread-850623-page-4.html
What is important: “ESPN took the loss selling those games under market value...that was passed on in the TV contract. And there was absolutely no reason for it other than scratching the back of an old pal. None whatsoever. The Raycom giveaway was absolute indefensible garbage at the time, it's indefensible today. “
Citation: Citation: Lou_C https://csnbbs.com/thread-850623-page-4.html
Part 6
What is important: All of this significantly complicated the launch of the ACC Network. And remember, during all of this time, ESPN had (still does) an option to exit in 2027.
Citation: FSU legal filing with the lawsuit against the ACC
What is important: The problem with the current ESPN & ACC deal is that John Swofford packaged all of the tier3 TV rights with tier1 & tier2 TV rights. Basically, ESPN owns them all. Unlike the Big Ten TV deal that is split between the Big Ten Network, FOX, CBS, and NBC.
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/08/18/Media/Big-Ten-Media-Deal.aspx
An N.C. State coach at the time, Elliott Avent, told The News & Observer. “You push the ACC Network and the game of the week. That’s a big exposure piece. And then you get to the conference tournament and none of the games were on. It was just shocking that the ACC Network wasn’t going to carry the ACC (baseball) tournament or the women’s basketball tournament. It just seemed kind of odd. You had to explain it to recruits and they’d say, ‘Coach I want to watch your game but I can’t find it.”
Link: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
What is important: “The legacy costs of TV deal that John Swofford negotiated, including the costly buyback of rights from Raycom to launch the ACC Network, will eventually come off the books in 2027 — at which point each ACC school will get an immediate bump of about $3 million more per year from the ACC. But again, even this does not come close to closing the money gap between the Big Ten and SEC for Florida State and any other ACC school. “
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
That TV contract by John Swofford was a one sided deal. It was not negotiated in best faith for the conference members.
What is important: “Most of the rights and inventory Raycom held prior to the creation of the ACC Network were bought back by ESPN during the 2016 negotiations that led to the creation of the ACC network — but not all of them. Raycom still held some rights granted during the ACC’s television negotiations in 2010.” Remember it is publicly known in quotes that John Swofford told ESPN executive John Skipper that he would only go all-in with ESPN for the first time if that network made Raycom a part of the package.
Citations: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
What is important: All of this significantly complicated the launch of the ACC Network. And remember, during all of this time, ESPN had (still does) an option to exit in 2027.
Citation: FSU legal filing with the lawsuit against the ACC
What is important: The problem with the current ESPN & ACC deal is that John Swofford packaged all of the tier3 TV rights with tier1 & tier2 TV rights. Basically, ESPN owns them all. Unlike the Big Ten TV deal that is split between the Big Ten Network, FOX, CBS, and NBC.
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/08/18/Media/Big-Ten-Media-Deal.aspx
An N.C. State coach at the time, Elliott Avent, told The News & Observer. “You push the ACC Network and the game of the week. That’s a big exposure piece. And then you get to the conference tournament and none of the games were on. It was just shocking that the ACC Network wasn’t going to carry the ACC (baseball) tournament or the women’s basketball tournament. It just seemed kind of odd. You had to explain it to recruits and they’d say, ‘Coach I want to watch your game but I can’t find it.”
Link: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
What is important: “The legacy costs of TV deal that John Swofford negotiated, including the costly buyback of rights from Raycom to launch the ACC Network, will eventually come off the books in 2027 — at which point each ACC school will get an immediate bump of about $3 million more per year from the ACC. But again, even this does not come close to closing the money gap between the Big Ten and SEC for Florida State and any other ACC school. “
Citation: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
That TV contract by John Swofford was a one sided deal. It was not negotiated in best faith for the conference members.
What is important: “Most of the rights and inventory Raycom held prior to the creation of the ACC Network were bought back by ESPN during the 2016 negotiations that led to the creation of the ACC network — but not all of them. Raycom still held some rights granted during the ACC’s television negotiations in 2010.” Remember it is publicly known in quotes that John Swofford told ESPN executive John Skipper that he would only go all-in with ESPN for the first time if that network made Raycom a part of the package.
Citations: https://newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article264685514.html
Part 7
What is important: That included the ACC’s digital rights, sold to Raycom in 2010
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: During the negotiations around 2010, the ACC incompetently thought there would be a decline in the amount of money conferences would get paid thinking there was a bubble that would pop. The opposite occurred.
Citations: No journal or media article to link.
What is important: The issue is that the ACC could’ve sold those rights separately or at least had a competitive bid for them by making Raycom bid against ESPN for them.
As mentioned in a Sports Business Journal article in 2010, the survival of Raycom Sports hinged John Swofford signing a TV rights deal with them.
Citations:https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: As many as two years before it started negotiating with the ACC, Raycom executives acknowledged that staying in business required getting ACC rights.
Citations: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: But there was another big problem, Raycom did not have the finances that the bigger TV networks had like FOX and ESPN. Look back to 2010 and fast forward to today to see that what was mentioned in 2010 became true today in terms of financial ability.
Citations: none
What is important: At that time they had roughly 50 employees and back then, CEO Ken Haines, had a tense two year process that led to an emergence of a 12-year, $1.86 billion contract between the ACC and ESPN. As part of that TV deal, Raycom signed the sublicense arrangement for $50 million a year.
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
That sublicense led to Raycom having more rights than ever before in company history.
“It tugged at me,” Swofford said. “We wanted to keep Raycom as a partner, but we had to do what was in the ACC's best interests. That we got the deal we got and kept Raycom involved was icing on the cake.” And then came the public comments later that he required Raycom to be in the TV deal.
I hope this tweet was helpful to you all to learn and understand why the decisions made in the early 2010’s has led to the eventual exit of Florida State from the ACC.
This isn’t a sudden happening folks, it was building up over the course of two decades and came to head in recent years as conference consolidation sped up after Nebraska went to the Big Ten Conference and USC/UCLA/OR/WA/OU/UT left for new conferences.
What is important: That included the ACC’s digital rights, sold to Raycom in 2010
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: During the negotiations around 2010, the ACC incompetently thought there would be a decline in the amount of money conferences would get paid thinking there was a bubble that would pop. The opposite occurred.
Citations: No journal or media article to link.
What is important: The issue is that the ACC could’ve sold those rights separately or at least had a competitive bid for them by making Raycom bid against ESPN for them.
As mentioned in a Sports Business Journal article in 2010, the survival of Raycom Sports hinged John Swofford signing a TV rights deal with them.
Citations:https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: As many as two years before it started negotiating with the ACC, Raycom executives acknowledged that staying in business required getting ACC rights.
Citations: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
What is important: But there was another big problem, Raycom did not have the finances that the bigger TV networks had like FOX and ESPN. Look back to 2010 and fast forward to today to see that what was mentioned in 2010 became true today in terms of financial ability.
Citations: none
What is important: At that time they had roughly 50 employees and back then, CEO Ken Haines, had a tense two year process that led to an emergence of a 12-year, $1.86 billion contract between the ACC and ESPN. As part of that TV deal, Raycom signed the sublicense arrangement for $50 million a year.
Citation: https://sportsbusinessjournal.com/J...story-With-ACC-Secures-Future-For-Raycom.aspx
That sublicense led to Raycom having more rights than ever before in company history.
“It tugged at me,” Swofford said. “We wanted to keep Raycom as a partner, but we had to do what was in the ACC's best interests. That we got the deal we got and kept Raycom involved was icing on the cake.” And then came the public comments later that he required Raycom to be in the TV deal.
I hope this tweet was helpful to you all to learn and understand why the decisions made in the early 2010’s has led to the eventual exit of Florida State from the ACC.
This isn’t a sudden happening folks, it was building up over the course of two decades and came to head in recent years as conference consolidation sped up after Nebraska went to the Big Ten Conference and USC/UCLA/OR/WA/OU/UT left for new conferences.
The statement by WF is..... predictable. It's not untrue, but is what a weak school with no clout in the discussion can say as they are facing a looming departure and being left behind. They've been sucking on the teet long enough.
If Im a "on the fence school" I am scrambling hard to get votes knowing a mass exodus is likely. Be the master of your own destiny or wait and see what happens, but FSU has made it clear, FSU is moving on one way or another, and without FSU, the ACC is done for (from a football perspective). All the "we have X titles" won't help fill the void in the coffers that they are looking at and sounds a lot like the old farts "back in my day, we used to......". Reality is, FSU needed the ACC in the 80s to bridge being an independent to be a major player. The relationship / power dynamic became very different thereafter and are certainly going to be different as one looks into the future.
Im a little surprised we don't hear more news from several schools who have the most to lose.
Blast from the past.....Big Ten Information site quoting and replying to stolen valor guy who used to post on Miserychant
He was Grimesy in Black Hawk Down, right?
I mostly scrolled past his posts because he was a relentless attention seeking blowhard. Those were the days before the ignore button. I do remember him talking about being around the Blackhawk Down incident but I don't recall any specifics of what he said. I also can't remember who outed him but I am glad someone finally did.
I said that because Grimesy was a fictional character in the movie (not directly based on anyone who was there).
The guy coming out of left field to ‘out’ him was one of the stranger things I’ve seen on the internet.
It was like finding out the Library Police were real.
I’m aware.
There are people in the movie that are based on real people, and named (e.g. the MOH winners). Grimesy was not named after an actual person, that’s why I used him for the joke.
This sounds like someone from Miserychant
"Great to see this lying fraud finally outed. Those of us who know him have done our homework and found out he never attended William and Mary or Florida State. He also told a lot of us he played football at FSU. Kind of hard to be on a team that has no record of you and a registrar that has no record of his enrollment. He always made claims of being in Blackhawk Down and told some of us he was wounded and earned a bronze star for valor. He is a total fraud and can not be believed on any topic. We even found his marriage license to his first wife and he even lied about his age."
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"Great to see this lying fraud finally outed. Those of us who know him have done our homework and found out he never attended William and Mary or Florida State. He also told a lot of us he played football at FSU. Kind of hard to be on a team that has no record of you and a registrar that has no record of his enrollment. He always made claims of being in Blackhawk Down and told some of us he was wounded and earned a bronze star for valor. He is a total fraud and can not be believed on any topic. We even found his marriage license to his first wife and he even lied about his age."
Paul Benevente; phony Ranger
Scotty sends us his work on this fellow, Paul Benevente, who for some reason thinks that graduating from the Army’s electrician school makes him an Army Ranger. Dude spent more that 5 years i…
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Don't worry about field hockey. We may not have had the winner but dang near half the tournament field.
Men's soccer has a solid history with titles from Indiana and Maryland. Teams like Ohio St. have been solid.
Women's soccer is starting to grow like crazy. We almost didn't get in the BTT and won it all as an 8 seed earning our first home game in the NCAA tournament. I forget if we had 7 or 8 teams in the tournament but we are certainly moving forward.
Adding FSU to both would be huge for soccer in the Big Ten.
Ok....back to the lawsuits and moving to the B1G
This is a lengthy thread on 247 that starts with discussion about the Leon County judge assigned to the case. It is mostly discussion about various aspects of the case by lawyers with not a lot of commentary by non-lawyers. I will read through it tonight to see if there is any new info.
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This is a lengthy thread on 247 that starts with discussion about the Leon County judge assigned to the case. It is mostly discussion about various aspects of the case by lawyers with not a lot of commentary by non-lawyers. I will read through it tonight to see if there is any new info.
Leon County Circuit Court Judge assigned to FSU BOT vs. ACC
Leon County Circuit Court Judge assigned to FSU BOT vs. ACC
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We don’t have field hockey or men’s soccer, unfortunately. That would be a dream come true.
@Menace Sockeyes and I have been yakking about woman’s soccer for some years now. That would be a new challenge if it happens.
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