8 pm DPL…….now at 30% chance of development over the next 7 days
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Hurricane season has arrived....
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I'm guessing that means no, there weren't any evacuation orders?
So, you go from no warning to no evacuation order? Put down the shovel.
You know, it's really not political. The failure to foresee just how absolutely horrible this would be in the mountains is not a big deal. Coulda happened to either side of the political divide because you don't interrupt commerce with any sort of evacuation order lightly.
Now with that said, tell me that Bush got a raw deal after Katrina and we'll call it a night.
TIA!
I'm glad you are safe and sound. For a Nole you are a decent fellow.
The Iowa National Guard is chipping in and assisting with rescues in N.C.
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/10/03/iow...rsing-home-residents-isolated-by-floodwaters/
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/10/03/iow...rsing-home-residents-isolated-by-floodwaters/
It was foreseen.
I don’t know what kind of local alerts went out, but the NOAA was giving warning.
https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/c...atening-inland-flooding-from-helene-even-well
Communities need to prepare for catastrophic, life-threatening inland flooding from #Helene, even well after landfall
Widespread power outages likely from hurricane and tropical storm-force winds
UPDATED: September 25, 2024. Reporters: This is a rare news release from NOAA for an operational weather event. We urge the news media to continue focusing the public’s attention on the major impacts from inland flooding expected along the path of Helene well after landfall.
September 25, 2024
A satellite image of Hurricane Helene moving into the Gulf of Mexico taken by NOAA's GOES-16 (GOES East) satellite at 3:51 pm (ET) on Sept. 25, 2024. (Image credit: NOAA)
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Hurricane Helene is predicted to make landfall Thursday evening along Florida’s northwest coast as a major hurricane, but NOAA’s National Weather Service is alerting communities that Helene’s flooding rainfall and high winds won’t be limited to the Gulf Coast and are expected to travel hundreds of miles inland.
Helene is an unusually large storm, whose wind field extends as far as 275 miles from its center. Even well before landfall, heavy rainfall will begin in portions of the southeastern United States [download these forecast graphics], and will continue to move northward into the southern Appalachians region through Friday where storm total rainfall amounts are forecast to be up to 18 inches.
The major flood risk includes the urban areas around Tallahassee, metro Atlanta and western North Carolina, including Asheville. Recent rainfall in these areas, especially the southern Appalachians, have left the grounds saturated and the river tributaries running high. Additional rainfall from Helene will exacerbate the existing flood risk. Extreme rainfall rates (i.e., torrential downpour) across the mountainous terrain of the southern Appalachians will likely inundate communities in its path with flash floods, landslides, and cause extensive river and stream flooding.
Gusty winds, combined with saturated ground, will also raise the risk of falling trees that can cause loss of life, property damage, blocked roads, and lead to power outages.
Flooding from extreme rainfall is the deadliest direct cause of tropical cyclone fatalities in the U.S. over the past decade.
Safety tips & resources
- Heed evacuation orders if they are issued by local emergency managers.
- Know if you are in a flood prone area and have a plan to protect your family and important property.
- If flash flooding or river flooding is forecast for your area, stay off the roadways. Do not attempt to cross areas covered by water.
One of the big emerging stories coming out of the Appalachians flooding is a huge chunk of the impacted people were not in mapped flood zones and therefore have no flood insurance. That is real tragic. Due to climate change, we may need to rethink how we do flood insurance maps and more importantly home owners may need to rethink not getting flood insurance when not required. I am thinking about it…
I posted a map someone had created from FEMA, and the inland counties have <1% people with flood insurance.
Due to our stupid education model school zone was my first consideration in purchasing a home, not being flooded was the second.
First place I looked at was ~190 ASL on Charlais. Ended up getting a place off Pedrick where the house sits about 120’ ASL, crest of the hill we’re on is 160’, Piney Z and the other lakes within a mile sit at about 55’.
Rising waters are one thing I don’t have to worry about from here.
Low lying areas
Are you a total dweeb, or just gnawing on a message board bone?
The word was out, dip stick, to leave low lying areas, campgrounds in flood prone areas, homes/businesses in known dangerous areas, etc…
I spent 11 hours today helping friends clear out a devastated business in muck half to my knees. Since the early 90’s their equipment was good when stored six feet high in their space. This time 16’ was not high enough.
Your manor life is totally immune from mountainous flood events, but you sit back and pick at nits.
On a cool as hell note, while headed to Asheville at 6:30 this A.M. to help buddies clean up a mess, I counted over 75
Gagnon(?) labeled power trucks headed into the west side of A/ville.
Nova Scotia teams out of Canada, not you are.
They could not approach from the East, North, or West. Likely went down I/81 to I-75 into Atlanta and circled back in from the southwest on US highway 441. Those peeps had to come in the long way.
Props to the Line Life people.
Gagnon(?) labeled power trucks headed into the west side of A/ville.
Nova Scotia teams out of Canada, not you are.
They could not approach from the East, North, or West. Likely went down I/81 to I-75 into Atlanta and circled back in from the southwest on US highway 441. Those peeps had to come in the long way.
Props to the Line Life people.
Next area of concern….recent Pacific tropical depression may cross over Central America and develop around Cancun and then threaten Florida
That’s not what they’re saying in Ft Myers. We’re going to get a lot of rain.
See what you can do. I will be in SW Florida from Oct 23 through November 2. I need good weather as I have a lot to do.
Imagine being able to create a high pressure zone, to help steer a storm off.
The HAARP is an antenna array that heats up the atmosphere to enable communication signals to be bounced off it, and thus reach farther over the horizon.
It's why it is pulled into conspiracy theories about weather modification.
I live in Jax so it’s understandable we’d have different weather. Hope you guys escape a repeat of Helene.
Yeah, but what the hell, we get a lot of rain this time of year every year. As my sainted father used to say when I'd bring my report card home from school, "This too shall pass."
DPL 9 pm update
Thursday Night Tropical Update:
1. Well, it's back to 40%
2. The thing is, the NHC is actually looking at 2 different areas. A weaker one will increase our rain chances Sunday through Tuesday. A POTENTIAL 2nd one (now a former TD in the Pacific) could develop midweek. More on that in a second.
3. 1st system will remain weak. It will spread rain across the state on Sunday through midweek. Total predictions vary wildly, but the heaviest will be from Tampa Southward. There will be no surge or wind issues with this system. Just rain.
4. Now, the POTENTIAL 2nd system. It's a weakening system TD #11 in the Pacific. It will fizzle overnight and attempt to cross Mexico. Some models (The Euro is one as you see) redevelop it in the SW Gulf of Mexico. If that happens, and stays South, it will avoid shear and could develop further. I would say we'll actually know more by Saturday. IF it is able to maintain some sort of organization as it enters the Bay of Campeche, there's a decent chance it will develop further. If it doesn't, there won't be anything left to worry about.
5. So bottom line, the messy 1st system is just a rainmaker for the state Sunday through Tuesday or Wednesday. The 2nd one, is more speculative. If it develops, it would be mid to late week. We'll see how the overnight models handle this.
6. After the week many of us have had, this is the last thing we need to deal with. This is obviously not a repeat of Helene, but any heavy rain is disruptive. We'll update you 24/7 and tag local schools as we know there are a lot of parents from out of the area who follow us with kids in Florida. We've got you covered.
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Thursday Night Tropical Update:
1. Well, it's back to 40%
2. The thing is, the NHC is actually looking at 2 different areas. A weaker one will increase our rain chances Sunday through Tuesday. A POTENTIAL 2nd one (now a former TD in the Pacific) could develop midweek. More on that in a second.
3. 1st system will remain weak. It will spread rain across the state on Sunday through midweek. Total predictions vary wildly, but the heaviest will be from Tampa Southward. There will be no surge or wind issues with this system. Just rain.
4. Now, the POTENTIAL 2nd system. It's a weakening system TD #11 in the Pacific. It will fizzle overnight and attempt to cross Mexico. Some models (The Euro is one as you see) redevelop it in the SW Gulf of Mexico. If that happens, and stays South, it will avoid shear and could develop further. I would say we'll actually know more by Saturday. IF it is able to maintain some sort of organization as it enters the Bay of Campeche, there's a decent chance it will develop further. If it doesn't, there won't be anything left to worry about.
5. So bottom line, the messy 1st system is just a rainmaker for the state Sunday through Tuesday or Wednesday. The 2nd one, is more speculative. If it develops, it would be mid to late week. We'll see how the overnight models handle this.
6. After the week many of us have had, this is the last thing we need to deal with. This is obviously not a repeat of Helene, but any heavy rain is disruptive. We'll update you 24/7 and tag local schools as we know there are a lot of parents from out of the area who follow us with kids in Florida. We've got you covered.
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Wrong. One of the worst flooding events in Florida was a tropical storm. Not a hurricane.
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Florida surfer saves dozens of Hurricane Helene storm surge
Florida surfer saves dozens of Hurricane Helene storm surge
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Florida communities hit by three hurricanes in a 13 months grapple with how to rebuild
Florida communities hit by three hurricanes in a 13 months grapple with how to rebuild
