Hurricane season has arrived....
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Translation: My GOP sources tell me to be a denier, so I'm a denier.
This is denial. Full stop.
Humans are driving the bus right now, with our emissions levels.
Any statement to the contrary is full denial. Because it is an established fact that we have dramatically increased CO2 levels (and methane levels) and are driving the current warming the past 100+ years.
Maybe if you brainwashed global warming acolytes started throwing deniers in the volcano, it would stop storms from rapidly intensifying?
Nope. Not remotely true.
Major eruptions can cause cooling for a couple years, at best.
Only way you're reversing the warming we've caused, is to return CO2 levels back to their 280-300 ppm levels.
And every gallon of fuel you burn (about 8 lbs) produces around 20 lbs of CO2 waste. Which means "cleaning up" is about 2.5x harder than drilling and burning, because the amount of waste product produced is significantly larger than the fuel product.
Maybe those who are interested in discussing global warming and climate change can start a new thread?
Uh, yes, we actually do.
People were quite able to measure barometric pressures back then. These major hurricanes have the lowest pressure readings we've seen. Due to warming oceans.
Today, we just have lots of other measurements we can track.
Go back and review barometric readings for hurricanes over the past 150 years compared to today if you want to claim otherwise.
Post your data.
How many people were measuring barometric pressure inside of a major hurricane 150 years ago?
Hint: None. Any who may have tried would have died.
We do have estimates of strength based on recorded barometric pressure and accounts of damage. Florida has been overbuilt a long time. There is a reason all of our home owners insurance doubled the last 3 years and will double now again in the next 3. This is simply not normal and was predicted. Just like the floods in North Carolina mountains nobody had flood insurance for. Just like the derechos in Iowa. Just like the Midwest like tornadoes in Tallahassee this spring. Just like the dozens killed in a fire in Hawaii….and on and on. Climate change is showing up in the form of much more extreme weather.
List of Florida hurricanes - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Insurance prices go up.
Home prices will go down.
People will be able to afford cheap houses that cost them annual mortgage costs to insure.
Answer the question, you ridiculous troll.
this is not actually true. i realize you just say things regardless of whether they are true or not...but they actually did have barometric pressure readings from hurricanes 150 years ago
Tropical Cyclones of the 1800s
www.weather.gov
Sorry, any such readings would either be for very weak storms or very far from the center of circulation. And in the event SOMEONE lived through a major hurricane and took some data, you must admit that you're talking about a REALLY SMALL sample size?
you know that they could collect data without having a guy just stand there, holding a barometer and reading it in real time, right?
and yes i looked at the link...even looked at the excel files you have to download to look at the data
I repeated saw references stating "barometric data was deemed defective."
Most everything is just based on human observations. "It's a really bad storm, Cap'n. Worst I've ever seen..." and it was actually just a little tropical depression.
Can y’all please stop bitching back and forth about climate change?
I use this thread for pertinent HURRICANE info.
Thanks.
I use this thread for pertinent HURRICANE info.
Thanks.
Meteorologist on air just stated that the hurricane force winds only extend 30 miles from the center right now.
It's going to cross a pocket of warmer water overnight and could strengthen:
It's going to cross a pocket of warmer water overnight and could strengthen:
While I realize we're mostly (and rightfully) looking forward this morning toward the approach of Milton, at dinner with a neighbor last night I learned that the entire Blue Ridge Parkway through Virginia and North Carolina -- all 469 miles of it -- has been closed to all uses, to assess the damage from Helene, with no potential reopening estimates. Some of the pics from the south end are truly catastrophic -- complete collapses/washouts of roads on the side of a mountain at 3000 feet (along with the mountain itself), collapses near tunnels, many large trees down, etc.
So much for fall foliage.
So much for fall foliage.
Due to the likely path of Milton, this could go right through both Tampa and Orlando. Would not be surprised if this ends up being the costliest hurricane to date.
No climatologist says this.
They've explained to you, time after time, that the storms get worse and stronger due to human cause warming of the atmosphere and oceans.
Like AndrewMeteorologist on air just stated that the hurricane force winds only extend 30 miles from the center right now.
It's going to cross a pocket of warmer water overnight and could strengthen:
Back in 2010 took a trip up to Boone, NC to spend the night. Next day we went to Asheville, then drove a portion of the Blue Ridge parkway enroute to the August night race at Bristol, TN.
The way home I just punched the hotel into the GPS and it put together some backroad path through the mountains.
Clouds were solid and low, it was pitch black outside, with only my headlights illuminating anything. Fiancé fell asleep and the next two hours were like a video game, where I could see the course map on the GPS, and had the road to myself. Hella fun in a little turbo Solstice.
The day trip on the Parkway was actually nerve racking because there were so many bicyclists. I was afraid I’d come around a corner into a knot of them with nowhere to go (drive into cliff on one side or off the cliff on the other).
This seems like a horrible idea lol. Watch that bridge get swept away
And that right there is your problem. If your house was flattened and everything you had was destroyed, you’d be taking every bit of help offered and be happy to get it. And - unlike you -decent people would show empathy and be happy to do everything they could to help. So - right now - you’re lying out of your ass.
I have this thing called "insurance."
And being an HBOT member, I'm also independently wealthy. I just work for the fun and status of it.
Insurance doesn’t deliver water and food and clothing and everything else you need to make it to tomorrow. You’d be lined up to get whatever you needed just like everybody else who faces a disaster. You know it but you’re too hypocritical to ever admit it.
And we know you have no idea you need to have water stockpiled in the event of a hurricane. Everyone who was here remembers your whining.
Yeah, as I've gotten older, I don't do roads with edges as well as I used to. If you think BRP was harrowing, try Going to the Sun Road in Glacier (up the west side) sometime. And that's without the cyclists.
Love you man-but this is a textbook "both sides" post. Global warming and climate change discussions are impossible to avoid when dealing with a Cat 4 landfall in Florida that caused a 500 year flood event in south Appalachians followed by a CAT 5 hurricane bearing down on Tampa 11 days later when the year before we had a CAT 4 landfall in Florida and the year before we had a CAT 4 landfall in Florida. Especially all four of which involved major rapid intensifications. It's the elevated sea temps.
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