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Why do so many of you sound so angry/resentful?

James 4:1-2 “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.” Be well and God Bless!
No one is "angry/resentful". Personally, I made a comment after viewing their photo that one was taller. Maybe not by much, but taller.

When I responded to you the first time, I hadn't read the entire thread and didn't realize you were the father. I could see how others might take my response as being disrespectful. I would have responded differently if I had known.

Anyway... all Hawk fans hope for the best for your family.
 
I feel that was Joey Range's fault not Toms
Kid was lazy and would not study & go to class from what I heard.

That wasn't it. Bowlsby pretty much told Tom NOT to even recruit Range due to some off court issues. Remember this was just a few years after the Allen Iverson case and the public scrutiny that ensued from it.
 
Bowlsby and Alford ran Range off. He's pretty much saying it there isn't he. Joey might not have made it up he had a better chance with Dr. Davis that the rat bastards Alford and Bowlsby in charge. That's two guys that left rather than play for Alford. Cant forget about Guy Recker.

So ….. what would Alford's first year been like if Range and Recker would have been made welcome by Alford.
 
Well then, lets just sit hear and hope and pray we make the tourney as a 9 seed every year because we are afraid to make a move. Fran is a great coach for the 3-4 year rebuild. Not so great at taking that to the next level of consistent top 25 and tourneys and that is the truth. I am not OK with being mediocre to bad and recruiting players that have ZERO P5 offers all the time.

Why don't you take you're sorry a$$ and root for some other team if you're not happy with how recruiting is turning out, as you think it should.
Fran has many faults but recruited players of character is not one of them.
There's both Michigan schools plus Purdue you can focus your allegiance to or there's cheating Minnie or the whinny Illini to fall back on. Heck, even Kentucky or Duke could use another so called bandwagoner.
No one is pointing a gun to your head to continue to follow the Hawkeyes.
Instead of lamenting how Iowa is not living up to your expectations and spewing negative crap two weeks before a new season starts, why don't you sit back and watch the season unfold before you rail on "Your Favorite Team"
 
So he never beat a high seeded team except for the times he did beat a higher seeded team.

Makes sense.
I realize how much in love that you were with Davis and your stupid snide remarks certainly are what you are famous for. Those two higher seeds being a 8 seeded team when Iowa was seeded 9th and beating a 4 seeded team when Iowa was a 5 seed. Those comparisons almost equate to equals playing each other. Certainly not upsets of any degree worth talking about. And, those two, who were just one seed above Iowa, were the only 2 times that Davis did beat a higher seed. It is not like Davis ever beat a 2 seed as a 7 seed. Far too often Davis would try to press a superior team only to give up easy layup after easy layup until we were out of the game and he would invariably substitute for any player who was exhibiting any rhythm and a hot hand. You may love Davis, but his tantrum over not getting a contract renewed, and appealing his firing, showed just how little he really thought about the University and Iowa fans. It was more important for him to stick it to Bowlesby, and suck up a farewell tour than it was to help future Iowa teams.
 
I realize how much in love that you were with Davis and your stupid snide remarks certainly are what you are famous for. Those two higher seeds being a 8 seeded team when Iowa was seeded 9th and beating a 4 seeded team when Iowa was a 5 seed. Those comparisons almost equate to equals playing each other. Certainly not upsets of any degree worth talking about. And, those two, who were just one seed above Iowa, were the only 2 times that Davis did beat a higher seed. It is not like Davis ever beat a 2 seed as a 7 seed. Far too often Davis would try to press a superior team only to give up easy layup after easy layup until we were out of the game and he would invariably substitute for any player who was exhibiting any rhythm and a hot hand. You may love Davis, but his tantrum over not getting a contract renewed, and appealing his firing, showed just how little he really thought about the University and Iowa fans. It was more important for him to stick it to Bowlesby, and suck up a farewell tour than it was to help future Iowa teams.

You sure about that?
 
Well then, lets just sit hear and hope and pray we make the tourney as a 9 seed every year because we are afraid to make a move. Fran is a great coach for the 3-4 year rebuild. Not so great at taking that to the next level of consistent top 25 and tourneys and that is the truth. I am not OK with being mediocre to bad and recruiting players that have ZERO P5 offers all the time.
Other than in the mid 1950's and again in 1970 and one last time in 1980, please tell me when Iowa was something other than being Iowa? But, you believe that there is someone out there who will take Iowa to that promised land called the next level. Olson, Miller, nor O'Conner could take us to the top although they got close. But, they could not sustain it. Me, I enjoy the uncertainty. I enjoy watching Iowa compete.
 
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Why don't you take you're sorry a$$ and root for some other team if you're not happy with how recruiting is turning out, as you think it should.
Fran has many faults but recruited players of character is not one of them.
There's both Michigan schools plus Purdue you can focus your allegiance to or there's cheating Minnie or the whinny Illini to fall back on. Heck, even Kentucky or Duke could use another so called bandwagoner.
No one is pointing a gun to your head to continue to follow the Hawkeyes.
Instead of lamenting how Iowa is not living up to your expectations and spewing negative crap two weeks before a new season starts, why don't you sit back and watch the season unfold before you rail on "Your Favorite Team"
The "go root for someone else if you don't agree with me" act is just beyond tired and pathetic. It's a msg board, stop being a baby
 
The "go root for someone else if you don't agree with me" act is just beyond tired and pathetic. It's a msg board, stop being a baby

The ''The "go root for someone else if you don't agree with me" act is just beyond tired and pathetic. It's a msg board, stop being a baby'' is beyond tired and pathetic. It's a msg board, stop being a baby. See what I did there?
 
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You sure about that?
You got me there. I forget about Iowa as a 5 seed beating Arkansas who was a 4 seed in Davis's last win at Iowa. Still, ny premise is true. And, as far as Iowa winning every first round game, We may be deficient on that since Davis but these are the seedings that Davis faced in his first round games: 15,12,13,10, 8, 13,11, 9, 12 . Only 2 of those games should have been contested.
 
Yes but Dr Tom’s best years were with Raving’s recruits and there was a noticeable drop once they were gone.

Post-Raveling recruits, his resume isn’t even as strong as Fran’s. And I liked Dr. Tom. But that’s the truth.

Dr. Tom started with NBA players while Fran started with a roster that would struggle to win the 4A State Championship.

Sad part is Fran is still recruiting those types of player because he BLOWS as a recruiter!
 
Other than in the mid 1950's and again in 1970 and one last time in 1980, please tell me when Iowa was something other than being Iowa? But, you believe that there is someone out there who will take Iowa to that promised land called the next level. Olson, Miller, nor O'Conner could take us to the top although they got close. But, they could not sustain it. Me, I enjoy the uncertainty. I enjoy watching Iowa compete.

But to sit tight with a coach that we know isnt going to take us anywhere is silly shows our complacency as a fanbase. He has had 9-10 years already.
 
Why don't you take you're sorry a$$ and root for some other team if you're not happy with how recruiting is turning out, as you think it should.
Fran has many faults but recruited players of character is not one of them.
There's both Michigan schools plus Purdue you can focus your allegiance to or there's cheating Minnie or the whinny Illini to fall back on. Heck, even Kentucky or Duke could use another so called bandwagoner.
No one is pointing a gun to your head to continue to follow the Hawkeyes.
Instead of lamenting how Iowa is not living up to your expectations and spewing negative crap two weeks before a new season starts, why don't you sit back and watch the season unfold before you rail on "Your Favorite Team"

sorry recruiting players with character doesn't mean JACK is they are not good enough for the BIG, and considering this class has ZERO P5 offers of any of the commits that is comical AT BEST!
 
Why don't you take you're sorry a$$ and root for some other team if you're not happy with how recruiting is turning out, as you think it should.
Fran has many faults but recruited players of character is not one of them.
There's both Michigan schools plus Purdue you can focus your allegiance to or there's cheating Minnie or the whinny Illini to fall back on. Heck, even Kentucky or Duke could use another so called bandwagoner.
No one is pointing a gun to your head to continue to follow the Hawkeyes.
Instead of lamenting how Iowa is not living up to your expectations and spewing negative crap two weeks before a new season starts, why don't you sit back and watch the season unfold before you rail on "Your Favorite Team"

Don't call me a "bad fan" just because I want more than what we are getting. Sorry if your feelings are hurt but my assessments are pretty close to the truth...which is why you are mad. If we were NW fans I would agree with you with settling for decent basketball but we aren't. We are a program that should be doing better than we are and that starts with the coach. Sorry to trigger you
 
sorry recruiting players with character doesn't mean JACK is they are not good enough for the BIG, and considering this class has ZERO P5 offers of any of the commits that is comical AT BEST!

Agreed. This is big boy college basketball. Unfortunately, character of the player should be down the list of things I am looking for on the recruiting trail.
 
But to sit tight with a coach that we know isnt going to take us anywhere is silly shows our complacency as a fanbase. He has had 9-10 years already.
This tells me that you are not really a fan. You feel entitled to some mythical results and you're going to make life miserable for everyone else if you are not satisfied. You're the epitome of an ex wife.
 
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This tells me that you are not really a fan. You feel entitled to some mythical results and you're going to make life miserable for everyone else if you are not satisfied. You're the epitome of an ex wife.

Only making life miserable for the sheep that cant see the truth. Carry on and enjoy our 15-17 wins.
 
Iowa just had a season where they exceeded expectations, punctuated with their best tournament performance since 1999, and their second best since 1988. No decent coach in his right mind would consider coming to Iowa if Fran were fired right now. What a dumb thing to suggest.
 
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? Iowa has only had 2 seasons under McC with under 18 wins, and only once since his first year.

I was just going to respond to him with that but saw yours ... and figured it was pointless. If you are even somewhat positive on Fran (which is where I consider myself on him and I still am waiting for anyone to provide me with a realistic name that can without a doubt raise the program to a Purdue-like level), then you are called a kool-aid drinker that accepts “mediocrity”.

But yet they consider themselves “realistic” while ignoring facts that are presented to them - and common sense - while embellishing their thoughts because if their dislike of Fran.
 
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Dr. Davis had a tantrum over not being renewed? That's silly.

Obviously, he did not continue recruiting after he was fired, does anyone think that is even unexpected much less untoward. Why would he encourage players to remain at the school that fired him, again even unexpected?

Dr. Davis was far more loyal to Iowa than our vile AD was loyal to Dr. Davis.

Everyone but Bowlsby was happy with Joey Range. I know the kid probably could only read at like a grade school level but who cares if we need to carry a couple of academic problems if they're otherwise good kids and at least show up at class. Also, its not like Alford/Bowlsby were troubled by Griffin and Fermino who were no better students than Joey and much less talented. Turns out Fermino was only the first of the criminals Alford recruited on top of academic ineptitude.

Did Guy Recker really turn out to be a gay porn star or was that a joke? Seriously, Iowa education prepares kids for every career.
 
Dr. Davis had a tantrum over not being renewed? That's silly.

Obviously, he did not continue recruiting after he was fired, does anyone think that is even unexpected much less untoward. Why would he encourage players to remain at the school that fired him, again even unexpected?

Dr. Davis was far more loyal to Iowa than our vile AD was loyal to Dr. Davis.

Everyone but Bowlsby was happy with Joey Range. I know the kid probably could only read at like a grade school level but who cares if we need to carry a couple of academic problems if they're otherwise good kids and at least show up at class. Also, its not like Alford/Bowlsby were troubled by Griffin and Fermino who were no better students than Joey and much less talented. Turns out Fermino was only the first of the criminals Alford recruited on top of academic ineptitude.

Did Guy Recker really turn out to be a gay porn star or was that a joke? Seriously, Iowa education prepares kids for every career.
Good lord everybody, it’s Guy Rucker and Luke Recker. If only there was an Iowa player with a combination of their skills.
 
Dr. Davis had a tantrum over not being renewed? That's silly.

Obviously, he did not continue recruiting after he was fired, does anyone think that is even unexpected much less untoward. Why would he encourage players to remain at the school that fired him, again even unexpected?

Dr. Davis was far more loyal to Iowa than our vile AD was loyal to Dr. Davis.

Everyone but Bowlsby was happy with Joey Range. I know the kid probably could only read at like a grade school level but who cares if we need to carry a couple of academic problems if they're otherwise good kids and at least show up at class. Also, its not like Alford/Bowlsby were troubled by Griffin and Fermino who were no better students than Joey and much less talented. Turns out Fermino was only the first of the criminals Alford recruited on top of academic ineptitude.

Did Guy Recker really turn out to be a gay porn star or was that a joke? Seriously, Iowa education prepares kids for every career.
Just how stupid are you? You really didn't know that was a joke about Recker being a porn star? And, Range wasn't otherwise a good kid. He knocked up a girl in Galesburg and also had some domestic violence issues before he was on campus. He didn't attend many classes and it was his academics that got him kicked off the team. How long ago did Fermino play for Iowa? It was 20 years ago? He played 1 season in Alford's first year when , with no recruiting prospects left over from Dr. Tom, Alford had to really scramble to field a team. How can Alford be responsible for some one 20 years later? And, you evidently do not know anything about what was happening between Iowa and Bowlsby and Dr. Tom. Let's just say that Bowlsby landed at Stanford right away when he left Iowa and Dr. Tom didn't land anywhere for years and then it was at Drake. Bowlsby Later became the Commissioner of the Big 12 Conference.Davis was insubordinate, disrespectful and he refused to follow the directions that Bowlsby gave him. If you don't think that Bowlsby communicated with Iowa's key contributors before he fired Davis, yes fired, you would be wrong. Davis needed to go. Many fans were unhappy, others were happy. Davis went to the University President and cried how he didn't want to be paid off for his final year. He wanted to fulfill his contract as if that was a thing of honor for him. It had nothing to do with honor. It had everything with sticking it to Bowlsby and his dismissal became a non renewal of his contract rather than him being fired. Davis knew that would screw over the recruiting but he didn't care.
 
Just how stupid are you? You really didn't know that was a joke about Recker being a porn star? And, Range wasn't otherwise a good kid. He knocked up a girl in Galesburg and also had some domestic violence issues before he was on campus. He didn't attend many classes and it was his academics that got him kicked off the team. How long ago did Fermino play for Iowa? It was 20 years ago? He played 1 season in Alford's first year when , with no recruiting prospects left over from Dr. Tom, Alford had to really scramble to field a team. How can Alford be responsible for some one 20 years later? And, you evidently do not know anything about what was happening between Iowa and Bowlsby and Dr. Tom. Let's just say that Bowlsby landed at Stanford right away when he left Iowa and Dr. Tom didn't land anywhere for years and then it was at Drake. Bowlsby Later became the Commissioner of the Big 12 Conference.Davis was insubordinate, disrespectful and he refused to follow the directions that Bowlsby gave him. If you don't think that Bowlsby communicated with Iowa's key contributors before he fired Davis, yes fired, you would be wrong. Davis needed to go. Many fans were unhappy, others were happy. Davis went to the University President and cried how he didn't want to be paid off for his final year. He wanted to fulfill his contract as if that was a thing of honor for him. It had nothing to do with honor. It had everything with sticking it to Bowlsby and his dismissal became a non renewal of his contract rather than him being fired. Davis knew that would screw over the recruiting but he didn't care.

I'm not stupid. I clearly just know far less about gay porn than you. Hence your knowledge that "Life as a G" really had not assumed a whole new meaning later in Guy's life.

Dr. Davis "needed to go"? Schools like Iowa, not Duke, Kansas, UCLA etc... that fire their career winningest coaches invite disaster; and disaster is what we got and applied with a most heavy hand at that. Dr. Davis' last season, now 21 seasons past, was our last Sweet 16. The real world implication of your words has proven to be "Iowa doesn't need to go to the Sweet 16 anymore". Dr. Davis won more NCAA games in his last season at Iowa than his successor did in the next eight, or his successor's next three, or his successor's next five seasons. Dr. Davis' last eight seasons, so we're past George's recruits, featured more NCAA qualifications, more NCAA wins, and more Big Ten winning records than the entire 8 season Alford era. Let's not forget Alford begat Lickliter. That was like going from slow motion murder through the cumulative effect of small arsenic doses to program rodenticide. Todd Lickliter was the real world result of your thinking. In a way, I guess we did find levels of success previously unknown to the Davis era so you kind of got your wish for a new level.

Speaking of rodents, I brought up Rod and Joe because they had the same flaws you attributed to Joey. Rod and Joe couldn't stay eligible for more than one season either, although Joey might have we just will never know because he was immediately driven off by Bowlsby. Its like poker "I'll see your dullard and raise you two".

IDK if Range "knocked up a girl" but you view that as a moral failing? Maybe that opinion derives from your apparently superior knowledge of gay porn actors. Let's be clear from the home team perspective, that's not a moral failing its mostly just really bad luck. Heterosexual teenagers have been having sex and getting pregnant since long before history began telling the story of man. Many of us would probably take a "but for the grace" approach to the teen pregnancy. I think you just made up the domestic abuse story.

Dr. Davis didn't "land" somewhere? Seriously? He was a 61 year old millionaire golf enthusiast that lived on a golf course when he left Iowa. To my knowledge, and I have some knowledge on this subject, he never sought employment elsewhere. I do know that Drake reached out to him, he never sought that job.

Bowlsby on the other hand was the quintessential bureaucrat looking for the next better job every minute he was at Iowa. Was he looking out for Iowa when he blew off Bob Stoops? Every minute of the early Bowlsby years was spent getting out from under the shadow of Evy's big coaches and Iowa celebrity names. Spend some time with Duane Banks, Dan Gable or Hayden Fry in their moments of candor and you'll get a very clear understanding of what I mean.

The school could not and would not pay out the final year of Dr. Davis' contract. That is another myth Bowlsby spun in the press after Dr. Davis refused public comment. Bowlsby went to the donors for buy out money and received a very unenthusiastic response-a polite way to hear what Bowlsby heard.

You are entitled to your opinion. Haven't the last twenty years proved B grade programs need to hang on to coaches like Dr. Davis with the tenacity of grim death itself? Twenty years later we have not recovered nor reached the same level of success Dr. Davis left behind. History has judged your opinion harshly, perhaps you should consider rethinking it.

The thing that makes the defense of Bowlsby so utterly wrong is Bowlsby's number one weapon against Dr. Davis was complaining about sketchy basketball recruits. So he chased off Dr. Davis and brought us Steve Alford and his parade of malcontents, illiterates and criminals-whose first two recruits were as sketchy as anyone Dr. Davis ever brought into Iowa.

You also do not get your own facts. Iowa fans have always been unrealistic but it wasn't the fans that brought down Dr. Davis. It wasn't the donors. In a way it wasn't entirely even Bowlsby by himself but Bowlsby did his best to push Dr. Davis out from his very first year on the job as AD. You are not in the ball park about the proverbial behind the scene politics of the Davis separation with Iowa. Truly not in the ball park.
 
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