Penn Grades
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It doesn’t matter that we don’t have an answer, because nobody would listen to us, anyway. We are just venting our frustration with coaches who are being well paid and not getting it done.
For quite some time we have not had great recruiting , but even worse out top recruits are not progressing.
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I hope coaches dont think like this. Its head in sand and denial. Carl is much better at almost every aspect. Development, professionalism, calm because hes prepared, fundraising. If he went to iowa hed be doing same thing as he is at psu.
I actually got blasted on here for saying I’d find it very hard to root for Iowa if they brought in Pat Downey. I will keep any other feelings to myself about current circumstances with the roster, but I assure you I am not an unconditional lover of T&T
I’m not sure that saying “it’s obvious” and “my friends all agree with me” answers my question. I’m genuinely curious about the specific things they say/do that bothers you. Not sure why all the hostility?
What type of words or actions make you say “oh, no that person is too immature for me to follow them. They are not a good leader.”?
I think you’re very misguided on this subject. The Brands brothers being in this sport has made this sport better. They’ve made it more entertaining and they have done a lot of winning.
They may be polarizing but to say they aren’t good leaders is absurd. What you see as unprofessional, their wrestlers see as passion and a willingness to stick up for their guys. Ask Spencer or Metcalf why they came to Iowa and they won’t get to far without mentioning Tom and Terry. Ask Austin and Bull all the things they’ve done for them.
They are not perfect, no one is, but there aren’t many men in this county that you could point to that would do more for their guys than Tom and Terry would. They may not be the most polished public speakers and sometimes their emotions get the best of them, but by golly do they back up what they say with action.
Then why did he leave ISU? Imo mostly geography which is one reason I don't know if he would do as well at Iowa. Maybe he would now but it would have been a lot harder to "prime the pump". I still think he is the best coach by far but geography plays a pretty big role.
Running out and poking the ref who was about to call a pin for Sam Stoll(?) comes to mind. I believe that was Terry. The Tony Ramos exit was not a good look, though I know TNT supporters don’t see it that way. Telling Cory Clark to throw him after winning the NC was stupid, and took attention away from Clark’s accomplishment.
And the constant screaming and whining at officials is something I really don’t like.
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Good examples snd just tip of iceberg. Its a national emarrassment and if im the AD id require change. He represents our state and univ. its ok once in a while but its 98% of time. Hes a baby a complainer and a begger as carl sits professionally quiet and classy.
Good Lord guys it is December right? It’s way early. Look at what is going on out in Vegas today. Tons of crazy things going on. Wrestling has changed so much over the past few years definitely no more brawling people to death. A lot more strategy involved. Even Carl and his kronies are very calculating.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more boring group of wrestlers in my 40 years of watching. Save Caliendo and Woods, woof.
Excuse me, but you’re full of shit. Now, let the endless whiny bitch session continue.
Head in sand hawk homer! Im a fan your a homer! Only blind fan cant reconize it on mat side and interviews. Embarrassing representation of our grest program. Could be so much better in and outside room.
I agree with all of your grades except at 25 and 41; I feel like Drake and Real way under-performed against inferior opponents. Not sure what's up with these fellas. Remember Woods in his interview after the Iowa State match where he indicated that he gave the guy too much credit and would learn from that. I don't see where he learned jack shit; he looked flat and boring against ISU and looked more of the same against Penn; there was no visible learning curve. Someone please check all the lockers, cubby holes, garbage cans and closets at CHA. Someone has stolen and hidden Real Woods and replaced with him a lifeless clone. We need him back and are willing to pay a hefty ransom as long as he's willing to wrestle with some hefty attitude.
I've never been a fan of getting rid of TnT, but have been a huge fan of bringing diversity onto the staff. I would love to see TnT bring on some hammers that are in their image but not Iowa guys (unless we're talking about Spencer, Kem, etc.). I want guys who won an NCAA championship or two - or at least made it to the finals - and know what it takes to get there. And I want guys who took the action to their opponents and not the guys who hand-fought for 7 minutes only to lose at the end.
Ayala better get his head straight or we need to hit the portal for a new 125lber.
I think its a weight thing. Prob grew a bit since last yr. I think a summer of lifting and going to 133 would help him. Low AA but would feel and preform better.
Not grades, but just my thoughts ( some of you need to step away from the ledge as it is November and December 1st duals)
125: Conditioning needs to be better, more diverse in nuetral, and top game is by far Drake's weakest position. Hope we are bringing in a 125 as I don't see DA here next year.
133: Never been impressed with Teske. CS must be hurt or not eligible yet. We got spoiled as both are light years behind DeSanto. I think this is one of the Hawks weaker weights this year and Drake mans it next year.
141: Not concerned. If this was February yes, not in November. Eye on the prize.
149: Ferrari or bust. VV has zero offense.
157: Not an offensive dynamo, but is an improvement over Cobe scoring wise. Cobe was more exciting to watch though.
165: Glad he came to Iowa. Needs to be even better to reach the podium this year though. Has the tools to do it.
174: PK saved the meet last week, but is not even close to form yet.
184: A black hole. By far the weakest weight. We have no one here without wrestling a true freshman 174lber. sigh
197: My biggest surprise so far. Glazier has been the man so far. I expected this to be the biggest hole this year, but instead it has been the best surprise.
285: Been as expected. Hard to critique the guy when he won't be the guy later this year. If Kueter struggles, does AJ go heavy and leave Glazier at 197?
125: Conditioning needs to be better, more diverse in nuetral, and top game is by far Drake's weakest position. Hope we are bringing in a 125 as I don't see DA here next year.
133: Never been impressed with Teske. CS must be hurt or not eligible yet. We got spoiled as both are light years behind DeSanto. I think this is one of the Hawks weaker weights this year and Drake mans it next year.
141: Not concerned. If this was February yes, not in November. Eye on the prize.
149: Ferrari or bust. VV has zero offense.
157: Not an offensive dynamo, but is an improvement over Cobe scoring wise. Cobe was more exciting to watch though.
165: Glad he came to Iowa. Needs to be even better to reach the podium this year though. Has the tools to do it.
174: PK saved the meet last week, but is not even close to form yet.
184: A black hole. By far the weakest weight. We have no one here without wrestling a true freshman 174lber. sigh
197: My biggest surprise so far. Glazier has been the man so far. I expected this to be the biggest hole this year, but instead it has been the best surprise.
285: Been as expected. Hard to critique the guy when he won't be the guy later this year. If Kueter struggles, does AJ go heavy and leave Glazier at 197?
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I could care less about matside antics. TnT wear their hearts on their sleeves. They are paid for results and haven't met expectations enough. I do think they have to pull in some better upper weight coach / HWC talent.
We are losing the recruiting battle by a mile, and they are resorting to the portal way too much to fill gaps that just aren't going to score that many points this year. If they don't land several top 10 p4p guys this year, we may be approaching Z results.
We are losing the recruiting battle by a mile, and they are resorting to the portal way too much to fill gaps that just aren't going to score that many points this year. If they don't land several top 10 p4p guys this year, we may be approaching Z results.
The thing that I really don’t understand?
How have you guys not put MAGAman on Ignore yet? I don’t know what crap he is spewing these days, but I have had him on Ignore for a long time.
How have you guys not put MAGAman on Ignore yet? I don’t know what crap he is spewing these days, but I have had him on Ignore for a long time.
Big difference developing young men and repping our state and university and running the free world!
Your making my case. One of the few reasons we getting killed in recruiting has alot to do with leaserships antics and style.
Norm Parker once told Phil Parker " it doesn't matter what you know...it only matters what your players can do"
Meaning you can have a scheme for any scenario, be the smartest X and O guy that ever lived, but if your athletes can't physically execute it, it is worthless.
Recruit better. That has been their issue their entire career. it's the Jimmy and Joe's.
This Iowa myth that Gable took walk ons and turned them into killers that just out worked / toughed everyone needs to die.
Gable did get top talent but he also developed average out of HS kids. Whitmer, ironside come to top of mind and im sure many others. Ironside was hammer but really just sbove average HS credentials….if i remember right.
I woupd also add gables two best in development…..TNT! Niether had outstsnding HS credentials but turned themselves into some of the best ever.
Morningstar recruits guys just like him. We need more guys that were like tnt.
so some of you guys are saying... The best thing we can do when the team is winning but not looking good when doing it...is to Trash the wrestlers then call for a coaching change and speculate on future coaching prospects? Honestly we can poke fun at carl and what they are doing but the reality is this.... Its a MONEY ISSUE... with his unlimited recruit buying power he can over recruit and over pay for talent and essentially make the rest of the country look like fools when they try to stay loyal to their already onboard wrestlers and field a competitive team. I mean even if a couple of the Top P4P recruits don't pan out for them...they hit the portal and get the best available Free agents to fill their gaps. Lets start with the new facility then we have the fresh face of Iowa wrestling with Gabe and Drake and maybe next year's top recruit Angelo Ferrari !! start a damn recruiting rush and have Spencer in play a Hell of a lot more. We need to put the new Iowa look out there and make some damn noise... we have the program we just need the interest in it from the perspective recruits.
And chittum unfortunately. Kid would of been bettet in long rin under TT
Chittum and his daddy were looking for an escape route and found one in Dresser. There was nothing Iowa could do to keep him around because TNT wouldn't buckle to their demands. No coaching staff can allow a wrestler (let alone one that hasn't even enrolled OR signed an NLI) and dada to control their program.
I will die on that sword.
Agree. Saw interview with utah football coach. He said “we recruit kids that conform to us not kids that want us to conform to them”.
Max Gallagher is a tough wrestler. A win over him is nothing to be ashamed of. Drake gave up a late takedown when he was pushing too hard to score. Gallagher has wins this year over Eddie Ventresca, Robbie Howard and teammate Ryan Miller (who was an NCAA qualifier and a tough opponent).
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