Where does ISU go when the Big 12 implodes?

[grayhair81]

It wouldn't totally surprise me to see Texas go independent ala ND someday in the near future. They have had their own network for years. They have a large and affluent alumni base. Nebbie left the Big 12 because they couldn't compete with Texas financially or on the field. They went to the B1G which was going to become their fiefdom. Funny how things work out.
To be honest, I hate the superconferences. I miss the old days of traditional, geographically-centered conferences. Maryland and Rutgers belong in the B1G about like WV belongs in the Big 12 and Missouri belongs in the SEC.

 

[Soon2BBand]

It wouldn't totally surprise me to see Texas go independent ala ND someday in the near future. They have had their own network for years. They have a large and affluent alumni base. Nebbie left the Big 12 because they couldn't compete with Texas financially or on the field. They went to the B1G which was going to become their fiefdom. Funny how things work out.
To be honest, I hate the superconferences. I miss the old days of traditional, geographically-centered conferences. Maryland and Rutgers belong in the B1G about like WV belongs in the Big 12 and Missouri belongs in the SEC.

Texas won't go independent because they value all of their athletic programs. I believe they were the only athletic dept in the country with every school sport making postseason play. They won't burden student athletes and fans with travel issues that would result from any move.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Texas won't go independent because they value all of their athletic programs. I believe they were the only athletic dept in the country with every school sport making postseason play. They won't burden student athletes and fans with travel issues that would result from any move.

Texas won’t go independent because they have more money, power and control than anyone in their conference. Only in the big 12 conference do you have a school with those major irregularities. Big 12 offered and willing to do anything to keep them leaving and this what the others are stuck with.

 

[Soon2BBand]

Texas won’t go independent because they have more money, power and control than anyone in their conference. Only in the big 12 conference do you have a school with those major irregularities. Big 12 offered and willing to do anything to keep them leaving and this what the others are stuck with.

You are incorrect. DeLoss Dodds is gone. Texas has one vote. Typical of hawk fans to constantly live in the past

 

[cidhawkeye]

So we have writers who report on things for a living and we shouldn't believe them and we have an Internet poster who has not provided their credentials other than being a fan. I am sure it could work that the poster has more information but I find it unlikely.

 

[Soon2BBand]

So we have writers who report on things for a living and we shouldn't believe them and we have an Internet poster who has not provided their credentials other than being a fan. I am sure it could work that the poster has more information but I find it unlikely.

They write opinion pieces all the time. With so many news outlets now, a great number resort to sensationalism to get hits. It is funny how folks choose to buy into certain things and not others.....maybe because it fits their agenda.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

You are incorrect. DeLoss Dodds is gone. Texas has one vote. Typical of hawk fans to constantly live in the past

You realize besides votes Texas has more power and any influence than any other school. Have their own network. You dodge the fact they get a bigger piece of the money pie. But yeah with your logic Kansas, kstate and Baylor all have the same influence and power as Texas...

 

[grayhair81]

Texas won't go independent because they value all of their athletic programs. I believe they were the only athletic dept in the country with every school sport making postseason play. They won't burden student athletes and fans with travel issues that would result from any move.

ND is only an independent for football. They don't have to share revenue with anyone and can schedule anyone they want. There aren't many schools that could do what they do. Texas is one of them. Alabama's conference ties mean they play the best teams in the country every year. Texas's conference affiliation doesn't come close.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

It is a 2017 article that is regurgitating news from several years ago. I realize how unthinkable it is for hawk fans to see ISU rising up and becoming more popular. Now I suspect you'll switch your narrative focusing how Matt Campbell will be leaving Ames very soon after his next good season. It is good to be a Cyclone!

I’d be pretty pissed to be a Cyclone! But then again I’m not used to losing.

I can’t even keep track of Ferentz’s win streak against you anymore. Will this year be something like 11 of 16?!

 

[HerkyFan]

I’d be pretty pissed to be a Cyclone! But then again I’m not used to losing.

I can’t even keep track of Ferentz’s win streak against you anymore. Will this year be something like 11 of 16?!

Again facts are not acceptable for use when discussing isu with clown fans. Unless it is the pre-approved propaganda from Pollard, Cytwins or peg leg Pete it simply doesn’t count.

 

[grayhair81]

I am glad I have never been so bored I felt inclined to go to another team's board to troll and warn them of how good my team was going to be someday.
I understand the Clown fan argument:history doesn't matter; it is the here and now and the future. It is like an Iowa fan arguing with a bugeater fan. But the reality is we have seen the Clowns have a good season before. The one constant is that they have never been able to sustain it. If Iowa had reverted to 4-7 after the 81 season, they would still be in the same category as ISU. They didn't go that route. Instead, they have consistently produced seasons equal to the one breakout season the clowns have every 6 years or so. Why? Continuity of people who know what they are doing. Two head coaches in forty years. ISU is on their 7th in the same time period. So why are we skeptical of the clowns breaking through to become a consistent top anything team? Because we have seen this all many times. They can't consistently attract enough quality players and find or keep quality coaches. That was true back in the 70's when they had coaches like Earl Bruce. Nobody with better options is staying in L'Ames any longer than he has to.
Clowns gonna be Clowns.

 

[Franisdaman]

So we have writers who report on things for a living and we shouldn't believe them and we have an Internet poster who has not provided their credentials other than being a fan. I am sure it could work that the poster has more information but I find it unlikely.

I could be wrong but a Clown poster named "Soon to be banned" probably should not be trusted.

The article I linked simply lays out the facts. On June 30, 2025, the Big 12's Grant of Rights agreement (and Commissioner Bob Bowlsby's contract) expires.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 5 years. Maybe nothing. But 6 years from now, with just one year left on the agreement? That is probably when EITHER the grant of rights gets extended OR you start hearing serious rumors of a conference break up.

And speaking of what happens in the next 5 years, this Jun 27, 2017 article from ESPN agrees that all eyes will be on 2023 for conference alignment.

"...All it takes is one move to start the dominoes. For those who love league stability, enjoy these years. For realignment fanatics, your time is likely coming again in 2023."

LINK: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19743196/why-2023-next-big-date-conference-shuffling

 

[HerkyFan]

That is the thing with clown fans. Not only are they delusional but they are so willing to tell the world just how delusional they are

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

So we have writers who report on things for a living and we shouldn't believe them and we have an Internet poster who has not provided their credentials other than being a fan. I am sure it could work that the poster has more information but I find it unlikely.

They write opinion pieces all the time. With so many news outlets now, a great number resort to sensationalism to get hits. It is funny how folks choose to buy into certain things and not others.....maybe because it fits their agenda.

That’s a nice story, but I’m still waiting for you to point out the specific inaccuracies of that article. As soon as you identify one thing presented as fact that no longer applies (as you claim), then you have credibility. Until then, you are just a bunch of hot air; nothing more than a run-of-the-mill troll.

 

[Lone Clone]

I could be wrong but a Clown poster named "Soon to be banned" probably should not be trusted.

The article I linked simply lays out the facts. On June 30, 2025, the Big 12's Grant of Rights agreement (and Commissioner Bob Bowlsby's contract) expires.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 5 years. Maybe nothing. But 6 years from now, with just one year left on the agreement? That is probably when EITHER the grant of rights gets extended OR you start hearing serious rumors of a conference break up.

And speaking of what happens in the next 5 years, this Jun 27, 2017 article from ESPN agrees that all eyes will be on 2023 for conference alignment.

"...All it takes is one move to start the dominoes. For those who love league stability, enjoy these years. For realignment fanatics, your time is likely coming again in 2023."

LINK: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19743196/why-2023-next-big-date-conference-shuffling

The Big 12 in general, and ISU in particular, is in very good shape right now. The long term is not as solid as the Big Ten, obviously, but the league has been very successful and the members are getting a whole lot of money. I certainly don't begrudge Texas the LHN, and I don't know any ISU fan who does (although I'm sure they exist).

Nebraska left for a lot of reasons, but the only one that mattered was that they got an invitation to join the Big Ten. If that hadn't happened, they'd still be in the Big 12 bitching about Texas.

 

[Soon2BBand]

You realize besides votes Texas has more power and any influence than any other school. Have their own network. You dodge the fact they get a bigger piece of the money pie. But yeah with your logic Kansas, kstate and Baylor all have the same influence and power as Texas...

They generate substantial revenue thru tier 3 assets. Not a problem for me at all. If Ohio State, Mich, Penn St, decide they want more of the pie and not subsidize the Iowas, Purdues, even Nubs, the whole landscape changes and small market teams are at risk.

 

[cidhawkeye]

They generate substantial revenue thru tier 3 assets. Not a problem for me at all. If Ohio State, Mich, Penn St, decide they want more of the pie and not subsidize the Iowas, Purdues, even Nubs, the whole landscape changes and small market teams are at risk.

Can you quantify the tier 3 rights for each of the schools in the conference? Hopefully with something more than 'I think that Baylor gets....'. And yes I have noticed your lack of substantiated facts backing up what you type.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Texas......had an open invitation to the B10 and responded with no f#*kin way.

OMG! I just cannot WAIT to see a credible link to back this up. Not saying the B1G would not have interest in Texas, and there certainly may have been some preliminary discussions, but to suggest the B1G invited them and they spit in their face is plain hogwash. Yes, I am calling you an outright LIAR until you prove otherwise.

 

[cidhawkeye]

OMG! I just cannot WAIT to see a credible link to back this up. Not saying the B1G would not have interest in Texas, and there certainly may have been some preliminary discussions, but to suggest the B1G invited them and they spit in their face is plain hogwash. Yes, I am calling you an outright LIAR until you prove otherwise.

Be prepared for the tried and true 'uh-huh, it is to' response. Facts are for other people in their mind.

 

[Franisdaman]

The Big 12 in general, and ISU in particular, is in very good shape right now. The long term is not as solid as the Big Ten, obviously, but the league has been very successful and the members are getting a whole lot of money. I certainly don't begrudge Texas the LHN, and I don't know any ISU fan who does (although I'm sure they exist).

Nebraska left for a lot of reasons, but the only one that mattered was that they got an invitation to join the Big Ten. If that hadn't happened, they'd still be in the Big 12 bitching about Texas.

And those Nebby fans would still be reminding you of their 1997 National Championship (but they don't mention it was shared with Michigan...lol)

When you read the ESPN article, I agree with the author that the key is what happens in 2023. Maybe nothing happens. But if one big school decides to leave the Big 12, the Pac 12, etc, then it could cause a lot of dominoes to fall.

 

[Franisdaman]

OMG! I just cannot WAIT to see a credible link to back this up. Not saying the B1G would not have interest in Texas, and there certainly may have been some preliminary discussions, but to suggest the B1G invited them and they spit in their face is plain hogwash. Yes, I am calling you an outright LIAR until you prove otherwise.

yeah, if Texas had an open invitation, that would have been all over the press. Instead we are supposed to take "Soon to be Banned's" word for it? Now that is funny. He lost all credibility, if he had any left at all.

 

[HerkyFan]

They generate substantial revenue thru tier 3 assets. Not a problem for me at all. If Ohio State, Mich, Penn St, decide they want more of the pie and not subsidize the Iowas, Purdues, even Nubs, the whole landscape changes and small market teams are at risk.

Where will this tier 3 revenue for Texas come from when the LHN contract runs out?

 

[hawkssox1]

A lot of really bad information in this thread why does anyone care about the BIG 12 as far as I can tell they aren't going anywhere deal with it.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

A lot of really bad information in this thread why does anyone care about the BIG 12 as far as I can tell they aren't going anywhere deal with it.

Exactly, but 7 years from now they most likely will be downgraded from P5 as OU opts to join the B1G ....unless the little 8 voluntarily approve giving up a % of their share to make sure OU gets a total of tv/streaming rights equal to Texas’s share + LHN.

 

[hawkssox1]

Exactly, but 7 years from now they most likely will be downgraded from P5 as OU opts to join the B1G ..

Where do you come up with sh.. like this seven years from now who cares?

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

Where do you come up with sh.. like this seven years from now who cares?

That's premise on how this thread was started ...that OU could bolt from Big12 after current GoR expires due to unhappiness with Texas pretty much running the show.

Maybe go comment somewhere else if you don't like the topic.

 

[Lone Clone]

Exactly, but 7 years from now they most likely will be downgraded from P5 as OU opts to join the B1G ....unless the little 8 voluntarily approve giving up a % of their share to make sure OU gets a total of tv/streaming rights equal to Texas’s share + LHN.

I think you are not terribly well informed. Just my opinion.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

I think you are not terribly well informed. Just my opinion.

Opinion of a clown on this board = [insert poop emoji]

 

[HerkyFan]

I think you are not terribly well informed. Just my opinion.

So educate us on how Texas and OU remain committed to the big 12 in the next GOR.

 

[Soon2BBand]

Exactly, but 7 years from now they most likely will be downgraded from P5 as OU opts to join the B1G ....unless the little 8 voluntarily approve giving up a % of their share to make sure OU gets a total of tv/streaming rights equal to Texas’s share + LHN.

OU does not have AAU status and will not destroy their Texas recruiting by joining a northern centered conf. You are completely off base again.

 

[Soon2BBand]

Opinion of a clown on this board = [insert poop emoji]

Opinion of many hawk fans on this board =( insert monkey scratching his head emoji)

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

There could soon be a group of about 40 teams in Big Boy College FB, run by deals made between media companies and teams that draw the most eyeballs and money. Iowa will be included. ISU will not.

https://thespun.com/college-football/college-football-conference-realignment-tech

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[SoDakHawk]

OU does not have AAU status and will not destroy their Texas recruiting by joining a northern centered conf. You are completely off base again.

You mean like when Oklahoma was the southern-most school in the Midwest oriented Big 8? Oklahoma did fine being in a different conference than Texas. They would be fine in the Big Ten.

 

[Lone Clone]

You mean like when Oklahoma was the southern-most school in the Midwest oriented Big 8? Oklahoma did fine being in a different conference than Texas. They would be fine in the Big Ten.

The Boomers were not an outlier in the Big Eight. Look at a map. The only outlier was Colorado. Now look at a map showing OU as a member of the Big Ten.

I would be stunned if the Big Ten invited OU, although the Nebraska invitation pretty much blew apart the idea that elite academic status was necessary.

Of course, I'd never say "never" to anything related to conference reorganization. I'm still not over my surprise at the Big Ten adding Penn State. Nobody I know can figure out what West Virginia is doing in the Big 12.

Nothing really matters to any of the conferences except money, and money means TV. Any other factor is secondary.

 

[Soon2BBand]

You mean like when Oklahoma was the southern-most school in the Midwest oriented Big 8? Oklahoma did fine being in a different conference than Texas. They would be fine in the Big Ten.

Yes, when they had OSU, CO, both Kansas schools. It does not have anything to do with UT, but has everything to do with the state of Texas. They will not make the same mistake as Nebraska. OU would heavily damage their Texas recruiting by joining an All northern school conference. It will not happen.

 

[Soon2BBand]

ND is only an independent for football. They don't have to share revenue with anyone and can schedule anyone they want. There aren't many schools that could do what they do. Texas is one of them. Alabama's conference ties mean they play the best teams in the country every year. Texas's conference affiliation doesn't come close.

Texas values all of their sports, even non-revenue ones. Scheduling would be a nightmare. They would have to have an agreement with a conf for everything but football. Who would that be with that wouldn't place an unwanted burden travelwise? I understand that you throw things out there, but you know very little about UT. I know a great deal about them outside of what gets published by sensationalism grabbing reporters.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

Yes, when they had OSU, CO, both Kansas schools. It does not have anything to do with UT, but has everything to do with the state of Texas. They will not make the same mistake as Nebraska. OU would slightly damage their Texas recruiting by joining an All northern school conference. It could will not happen.

Fify

 

[HerkyFan]

Texas values all of their sports, even non-revenue ones. Scheduling would be a nightmare. They would have to have an agreement with a conf for everything but football. Who would that be with that wouldn't place an unwanted burden travelwise? I understand that you throw things out there, but you know very little about UT. I know a great deal about them outside of what gets published by sensationalism grabbing reporters.

Clown fans still refuse to answer the simple question of how will the Big 12 be able to keep the finances of Texas and OU to a level that makes staying more attractive than leaving?

 

[Soon2BBand]

Clown fans still refuse to answer the simple question of how will the Big 12 be able to keep the finances of Texas and OU to a level that makes staying more attractive than leaving?

Been answered but you don't pay attention.

 

[Soon2BBand]

Fify

Wrong...it would damage them immensely because most games would involve northern schools. They are not the least bit interested in traveling to IC, Champaign, East Lansing, oh you get the picture.