What is the long term plan of HWC??? Small changes are going to made that might not be visible is the dumbest ****ing statement i have ever heard... That's the same as saying "we are doing things right and we won't change"
One could rather rightfully argue it hurt Iowa much more than others. Mind you, they were runaway favorites to win NCAA's that year. Many detractors use that to act like Iowa's performance that season didn't exist. On top of that, he listed pretty significant infor regarding progression of the facilities and funding.
And you are a full fledged complainer. See, any one can just make derrogatory statements based on feelings...
True, it very likely cost us a team title.
what happened to hwc after 2016?
Hypothetically I think it does put them in a better place recruiting wise. They get rid of a handful of studs early who had declining performances with the extra year. Plus Spencer likely winning 4 titles. Doesn’t change anything now but that’s how I think it would have gone.
I don't know Dan at all, but does he bring any excitement to HWC?? Does anyone in high school know him? Is he a big enough draw to bring in a Nolf or Jden???
i think way too much emphasis is put on who is running hwc than who is training at hwc
because the people in charge at IOWA all share one brain...
Most college administrators share the same brain. Iowa isn't alone. I suspect OSU has a similar issue, and maybe even more so. Their RTC is nearly non-existent. The fans there complain bitterly about being lapped by the field but falls on deaf ears.
I'm acquainted with a ref who works the NCAA's. He says that he doesn't mind the Brands, other than them being obnoxious, but the majority of refs despise them.
It’s also way easier to ignore very strong likelihoods and reasons and juxtapose them with “imaginary chickens” and “excuses” to further your narrative.
Very strong likelihoods? Didn't we win three titles in a row from 2008-2010? Did that momentum continue to massively help our recruiting and development? I didn't ignore anything. I gave a reasoned response.
Covid is over. Sure it hurt Iowa badly, but we can't use it as a crutch after NCAAs year after year. Sometimes you have to make your own breaks.
I am pretty sure Iowa had a rather massive recruiting class right after. They just hadn’t adapted yet to putting more value on purely top 10 guys vs depth. However, that obviously changed with Kemerer and the “Lee Binder”. I absolutely believe that 2 years of championships along with a brand new facility would have been huge selling points. Instead they ended up with 1 year followed by Lee taking 6th. Lee wrestling in 2020 almost certainly takes that negative away as well and their image becomes immensely more positive…
Plus, Lee may have walked away with a gold medal in the olympics.
Covid clearly hurt Iowa more than any other program. This is a little tangential from this discussion because most of it is unrelated to the OP about the Brands' approach to training/coaching, but first, most obviously, Iowa was ranked #1 and seemed poised to win nationals that year, so they would likely have back-to-back national titles instead of just one.
You can believe that all you want. But you're basically stating that I'm being disingenuous for seeing things differently than you. I think there are plenty of reasons to see it my way, but I don't claim you must see it my way.
I wasn’t using it as a crutch. I didn’t even bring it up. But, once someone diminished it as if it were trivial at best, I had to point out that is was much more than that…
I am sorry, but I do believe your opinion of Brands taints your viewpoint on certain things. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand your stance on the overall point of Iowa NOW. I may disagree with you on the causation and the exact fix, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect your stance on where you want them to be and willingness to do anything to get there…
And I believe your opinions 'taint' your viewpoints as well. Same with everyone.
Since you stated previously that you had wrestled around that time, what would you attribute as causes for why the momentum died out post-2010?
Also, I was you x3 with Minkel for several years. I had multiple email accounts blocked and letters marked return to sender. The Athletic Department had zero interest in ANY form of discussion. It took him being let go, Roger taking over and bringing Chris back to eventually find out that, even though Minkel had basically cashed out his last 6-8 years or so, the Athletic Department was literally unapproachable and STILL ARE towards any avenue to considerably improve the program.
I have no problem with that and I am sure it is accurate in certain areas. I just absolutley believe you are intelligent enough to know how disingenuous it seems to act like Covid was the same for every team. You can still say all the things you say about why Iowa needs changes now while acknowledging that Covid was a major blow to Iowa more so than any DI team that year...
I don't know about other schools, but PSU was doing its once every five years recharging of the batteries in 2020 so I was fine with Nationals being canceled. It saved me the angst of watch a 5th-7th place performance. So 2020 was a win of sorts for PSU.
Not to mention all of your best guys are getting to compete in five NCAA tournaments. You don’t break the record without Brooks this year (I know he only got four), but you get the idea.
you don't think MSU could be better with a new staff?
Simple. What is the population of Pennsylvania? What is the economy compared to Iowa? There isn't the same amount of money.
I get that COVID hurt the Hawks the "most" - but we should absolutely NOT act like back to back titles was a given.
Not sure what the state population has to do with any of this conversation. It has to do with the total wealth of alumni. OSU is not as big as PSU but when T Boone Pickens was alive, they had more alumni wealth than we had. If I recall, the lynchpin for the NLWC was a $5M donation back near the beginning. $5M is a lot more than I can give, but Iowa must have a handful of wrestling fans with deep pockets to fund HWC to where it needs to be to compete against PSU.
I don’t like the Covid excuses, but that tournament was as close to a given as possible. Iowa beat PSU by 50 points at B1Gs
I didn't say it was the same for every team (or act like it). I disagreed about whether or not we should count all the (imaginary) chickens you were counting in our favor if it hadn't happened. And no, I (still) don't think that's disingenuous at all. I even gave several reasons why.
I'm saying back to back. We were winning 2020, and Lugo likely has a title as well.
