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In baseball fans would describe Turk as having warning track power.My thought is that most want to see Murin at 141 because we want an upgrade at that weight and hope he is it. Turk has the ability to get on the podium but last years inconsistency was frustrating. The key to winning a championship depends on how many points we can score at 141, 157 and 184.
Hope so, doubt he will “smoke” desanto. Desanto is no slouch. Secondly if he’s thAt good probably y should have him at 41 after red shirt.Rentaria will smoke Desanto. Rentaria is gonna be three time AA, possible champ!
That is my main concern with Turk as well. Love watching him when he lets it fly but has struggled on bottom last season. Hope he has put the work in...may the best man win. Go Hawks!Can Turk get out from bottom all of a sudden?
National championship.What do you guys think that the starting lineup will look like this year?
From what I've heard I think it will look something like this:
125: Lee
133: JRent or DeSantos?
141: Murin or Turk?
149: Lugo
157: Young
165: Bull
174: Kemdawg
184: Cashe
197: Warner
285: Stoll
I hope Murin wins the 141 spot, he was pretty impressive for a true frosh last year. Does anyone have some insight on 133 and 141, or is this a wait until wrestle offs and see type of thing? Also, is Cashe at 184 and Warner at 197 a sure thing? Sorry if some of this has already been answered on here, but I haven't read the boards very consistently for a while.
I like Kem,but third is a pretty lofty goal. Mark Hall is currently my number one ranked college wrestler! Lee is second. Nolf 3rd. Zahid 4th. Let's see how he adjusts to the new weight. He may be a small 74. AA for sure, likely 5-8
I’m not, and I don’t pick favorites. Murin appears to be the fan favorite at the moment, I’m just throwing a little Turk’s way. All these guys are sacrificing more than they even know and I’m a softy when people count guys out.
It’s nice to have 2 quality guys that could reach the podium as they will rise to a new level just to earn the spot. Here is a match that shows some of the grinder mentality that Murin brings. He is also fun to watch. May the best man win.I'm sure that's true. My own observation, though, is that Turk has the raw talent to elevate himself to another level. And I find him to be a lot of fun to watch. I didn't see much of Murin, but on paper he looks to be capable of being on the podium next year. If Turk beats him out I would think that means he has turned the corner.
Can Turk get out from bottom all of a sudden?
Renteria and Turk.
Had they not been in the same room I would take Desanto in the 1st match and Renteria from then on. Renteria's strength (underhook) plays right into Desanto's strength (carry). Time in the room together allows for adjustments and I think Renteria is an overall better wrestler.
I think we all knew what you meant but didn't want to go back down that road. The issue I have with Turk is that he scored 3.5 points at Nationals. Chad Red (who he beat at Big10s scored 10 and Nick Lee scored 11.5) We need who ever represents us at this weight to score at least 5.5 points (more is better). Meredith and Jack graduating moves him up a little but at this point it looks like there are about 10 guys who will be fighting for a spot on the bottom two podium steps. We need someone who will be fighting for 5th or 6th, not in the middle of the "maybe round of 12" crowd. If Turk is the guy we will all root for him. We just need someone to step up big time at this weight.By “decent shot” I was referring to him shooting Sam Stoll in the leg. That’s what I was “aiming” at anyways. If ya have to explain it.......
Murin looks to have an Iowa Wrestler gas tank. He looked fresh at the end of the match and the other guy was sucking wind.It’s nice to have 2 quality guys that could reach the podium as they will rise to a new level just to earn the spot. Here is a match that shows some of the grinder mentality that Murin brings. He is also fun to watch. May the best man win.
Murin looks to have an Iowa Wrestler gas tank. He looked fresh at the end of the match and the other guy was sucking wind.
Ok, he had the win over Gravina at Big10s and two good bonus wins at Nationals but, he was 14-13 so he didn't have enough "good wins". He just looked physically outmatched by to many guys.I’m on the Bowman train. I know everyone else likes cash but Bowman has better wins
The biggest problem I see with Murin is more head scratching mistakes. However in most matches I've seen him wrestle, his offensive drive overcame a mistake or two. He will need to fix the dumb mistakes to be an upper AA. Even if he doesn't ever end up a NC contender, i think he can be a crowd favorite.
Murin Murin Murin. 133 is closer. Young is the starter at 157 before midlands.
I'm not too worried about 157 or 184. I think Young and Cashe will both be much improved wrestlers dropping down a weight. They were both giving up a significant amount of size in many matches last year.The guy taking the spot at 141 this season is whoever made the most progress from last year. Pretty simple but from my view they were fairly even, Turk did show some moments of next level stuff. If Murin is progressing they way some say he is and Turk has turned the corner we could be in for a treat. Im honestly more concerned about 157 and 184 putting points up in march.
Haven’t seen that one but I do not think this is settled business. One can think that the better one might shirt now for next year or go this year depending on the individual. Lots of variables here.
I like Kem,but third is a pretty lofty goal. Mark Hall is currently my number one ranked college wrestler! Lee is second. Nolf 3rd. Zahid 4th. Let's see how he adjusts to the new weight. He may be a small 74. AA for sure, likely 5-8
Turk has a lot of holes in his game, and he’s been in the room for 3 years. I thought Murin was better last year before getting injured, and he was in the room a lot more this summer. His fight reminds me of McDonough.I like Murin because of his offense...you don’t have to plead with him to be aggressive, he just is. It might cost him a few matches but he’ll win a lot more because of it.
Turk’s offense is inconsistent. I kept waiting for him to break out on a regular basis and he never did. We have seen this time and time again over the years from other Iowa guys and need to move away from it.
Yup I totally agree and have posted that I believe $ can AA. I have seen only a few of Youngs matches and what I am reading leaves me to believe he will be the man at 157 but just as in 141 and 184 it seems nothing is written in stoneI'm not too worried about 157 or 184. I think Young and Cashe will both be much improved wrestlers dropping down a weight. They were both giving up a significant amount of size in many matches last year.
Vodka, Cat “Sometimes” throws things at the wall to see what sticks he also thinks Deakin can beat Nolf and Rivera will keep it close with LeeHall is your number 1 ranked college wrestler? He's not even in the top 2 on his own team and possibly behind Joseph as well.
Turk was injured the majority of the first 2 years. Last year was the first wrestling season he really got to compete in college.Remember Murin was also a true freshman last year. Most every true freshman is going to make mistakes and take some lumps as they acclimate to D1 wrestling. Remember Marinelli getting stuck by Anthony Valencia at Midlands his freshman year? Or Warner losing to Woodley?
But despite his freshman learning curve, he still outperformed Turk at Midlands. Turk's minimal progress after already being in the program for 3 seasons is a much bigger red flag than whatever mistakes Murin made during his first season.
That’s Sammy Sasso...he has to leave his high school lungs and other habits behind him. cuebonghitsound.wmv
Why limit yourself to one?I’d take that habit over a fall down blackout drunk.....
That’s Sammy Sasso...he has to leave his high school lungs and other habits behind him. cuebonghitsound.wmv
I’d take that habit over a fall down blackout drunk.....
It’s nice to have 2 quality guys that could reach the podium as they will rise to a new level just to earn the spot. Here is a match that shows some of the grinder mentality that Murin brings. He is also fun to watch. May the best man win.
Hall is your number 1 ranked college wrestler? He's not even in the top 2 on his own team and possibly behind Joseph as well.
Thanks for the information Spooner!3rd hand info: Renteria agreed to redshirt this year since they already had Desanto in hand. Murin expected to be 141 this year and next then move up.
Take it for what it's worth.